1 Billion Mark German Coin 1923

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  1. JasonGDX

    JasonGDX New Member

    I've looked for information on this particular coin, but it's very hard to find. Does anybody know anything about the 1 billion mk. coin?

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  3. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Welcome aboard,JasonGDX.This is a Notgeld emergency token from the German Province of Westphalia.It isn't listed in Krause,as it isn't an official coin.

  4. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    Westfalen (German) 1 bil Mark Notgeld Coin Depicting Baron Heinrich Friedrich Karl Von Stein listed Jaeger N 28 / Funck 645.14
  5. Topher

    Topher New Member

    I was really hoping to see how they fit all those zeros on the coin. Only question - is this a billion with 9 zeros (like the US), or a billion with 12 zeroes (like Britain)?
  6. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    I wasnt aware there was a difference...I assume it is a Billion marks which would be 9 zeros a thousand million. :) I think 12 zeros would be a trillion.
  7. jaytant

    jaytant New Member

  8. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    I had no idea that a trillion is a billion in england, I assumed a billion was the same all over!! :) This confuses me a bit as I have a 1 Billion mark, several in the millions and a 10,000 and 1,000 and so on...so I assume that a 1 million mark is actually an US 1 billion...so is 100,000 marks 1 million US?

    US-1 trillian = BRIT-1 billion
    US-1 billion = BRIT-1 million
    US-1 million = BRIT-100,000

  9. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

  10. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector Moderator

    Nah, the exchange rate is not that bad. :D

    One million (US) is eine Million (DE). But one thousand millions is a "Milliarde" in German while it is a "billion "in English. And the German "Billion", as on the depicted piece, is an English "trillion".

    (Yes, I know that sometimes - UK? - an English "billion" is the same as a German "Billion". But that is something I don't have to deal with, hehe.)

    Side note: Where you use a comma to separate the thousands, we use a point - and where you use a point (separating dollars and cents for example), we use a comma. But since in most cases - at least when it comes to money - there are only two digits after the decimal point/comma, that is not terribly confusing ...

  11. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Don't forget that the plural for a Million in German is 'Millionen'.

  12. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The billion mark coin is a very popular piece (as are all of the Westphalia notgeld coins) and a rather pricey one. It is fairly scace but not rare and it comes in two sizes 60mm and 61mm. I have both of them.
  13. OzCoin

    OzCoin Junior Member

    just wondering if anyone knows anything about a 1 billin mark replica that has been created. I beilve it is dated 2001.

    This would be very helpful
  14. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector Moderator

  15. eddyk

    eddyk New-mismatist

    One Million in the UK is the same in the USA.
  16. Magman

    Magman U.S. Money Collector

    but why is Billion different! :confused:
  17. goossen

    goossen Senior Member

  18. Magman

    Magman U.S. Money Collector

  19. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    I found it strange as well when this issue first came up. We have a London Office and an Aberdeen Office which I deal with on a regular basis, few times a year I go there, and the concept never came up. I guess because I have never had to deal with such high numbers with them before. After this thread (which is old) I had to wrap my head around it :) I understand the concept now....the brits use a middle step with a 1000 designation thus every other step up is a 1000X. So after 1 million he brits call every other number increase 1000 (insert million, billion, trillion) while the US eliminated the use of a 1000 middle step and just go billion, trillion, quadrillion.


    1000 million for Brits is billion for America

    billion for Brits is trillion for America

    1000 billion for Brits is quadrillion for America

    Trillion for the Brits is quintillion for America
  20. OzCoin

    OzCoin Junior Member

    hi, Thanks Christian, but i saw this on ebay which sparked my curiosity.

    Anyone have mintage specs? ie. wieght , composition, diameter

  21. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector Moderator

    That is the way it's usually done in Europe. In the UK however, and possibly other English speaking countries, both usages seem to be used and accepted. Whether that is confusing or not, I don't know - for scientific purposes you would use exponents (e.g. 10⁹) anyway to be on the safe side. :)

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