That's a nice 1576 Holland lion daaler, very well struck with a bold date! Campen must have struck large numbers of these coins in the 1680s - 90s, since they the ones that show up from time to time on the market for that decade. It also seems that the flan quality also took a nose dive in that period, with noticeably porous flans. This is a coin from 1692, with the typical wide flan (43mm) for the period. It is also the next to last date of lion daalder production for Campen. Note the porosity of the metal on both sides, the result of poor flan preparation. Dav. 4879 26.70 grams I'll look for my plated Italian half lion daalder today.
It was cheap too, 30 euro along with other 3 little coins on eBay. Were there no piedforts ever struck for daalders?
There are some very rare to extremely rare multiple lion daalders, specifically Dav. 4848 (2 lion daalders, Gelderland); Dav. 4857 (2 lion daalders, Holland); Dav. A8460 (2 lion daalders, Overijssel); Dav. A4863 (2 lion daalders, Utrecht); Dav. 4869 (2 lion daalders, West Friesland); Dav. 4869A (2 lion daalders klippe, West Friesland); Dav. 4871 (2 lion daalders, Zeeland); Dav. 4874 (2 lion daalders, Deventer); Dav. 4878 (2 lion daalders, Campen); Dav. 4878A (2 lion daalders klippe, Campen); Dav. A4882 (2 lion daalders, Zwolle); Dav. A4885 (2 lion daalders klippe, Zwolle); Dav. A4887 (3 lion daalders, Nijmegen); Dav. A4888 (2 lion daalders, Zutphen). I do not have a multiple lion daalder. The only multiple that I have is a 2 ducatoons, Holland. 1673. This coin was produced during the war with France, and it has the city arms of Amsterdam on the reverse (XXX, vertical). This is a coin that is decently struck, with an area of weakness on both sides, an outcome of hammer striking. Dav. 4932 65.28 grams
All I can say is wow! I mean you can barely see a 1 ducaton of Amsterdam in this grade, but a double one!!!Fantastic coin! I have just learned that double daalders existed, tomorrow I’m going to research more! PS. I like the type below very much, hope to get one in the future!
Thanks That is a very rare and the most beautifully produced of the series, I think. The dies were privately engraved (I forget the name of the engraver). That's Dav. 4931.
I was going to post this coin sooner, but I got diverted by a damaged antique tile that arrived the other day, courtesy of the postal service. Very frustrating! Here's my ducaton of Holland, 1673, that I purchased in 2018 through MA Shops. It has the Amsterdam arms on the reverse. It is also very crude, especially compared to the 2 ducatons coin, with an irregularly shaped flan, uneven strike and rough surfaces, probably due to burial or even sea salvage. Also, I think this coin might have been struck over another coin, or the strike rotated. I'm not sure. The photo is from the dealer, so I need to fish it out and take a better snap. Dav. 4930
Nice example for the type, but the 2 ducaton is a different class! There was a one ducaton recently sold on ma-shop for 350 euro! I was following it but I decided to wait for a better grade! Another interesting and beautiful coin, in my opinion, is the 1676/7 West Friesland Dukaat!
Yes, the silver ducats are very attractive on the whole, as is the 3 Gulden crowns produced later in the 18th century. This is one of the first crowns that I got from an auction, back in 1980 or 1981, a Money Company auction. It is a 3 gulden from West Friesland, 1794, in pretty high grade condition, one of my favorite European crowns the 18th century. I believe the obverse design of this coin is sometimes referred to as the "Dutch Maid". Dav 1853 31.54 grams
Indeed a nice design on the 3 gulden! I like the VOC issue for this type along the other VOC coins))) I've always asked myself how was it to buy these coins back in the day, all these wonderful large coins must have been cheaper. I was born in 86' and focused only on large silver coins five years ago! Just remembered about the prinsendaalder, another beautiful dutch coin!
The VOC coinage, especially the ducatons, has always been a challenge to acquire. I do have a fake VOC ducaton from Indonesia, that's listed on the website for fakes, but I've never had any luck with the genuine coins. They bring premium bids in auctions, beyond my means at least. And speaking of fakes, or imitations if you will, here is my half lion daalder from Asti, in the Piedmont of Italy. It is quite an interesting coin with a colorful background. I ended using three labels for its description: Italy 1581-1605 Imitation ½ lion daalder (talero) Asti, Italian Piedmont Franco Mazzetti Obv.: MOER GNROGV FOE GNFDIN; knight facing right. Rev.: CONFIDEN R DNON OE MOVEIVN REGL; lion facing left. Debased silver, appears to be plated. Rare imitative ½ daalder Cleaned Fine 11.5 grams In the past, Palazzo Mazzetti, in Asti, was the residence of an illustrious Piedmontese family who made most of its fortune in minting, having publicly obtained the privilege of producing coins as early as at the end of the 15th century. The descendants of the family did not always make a perfectly honest use of such prerogative and – as stated in a 19th-century source – often plagiarized other States’ currencies. Some members of the family made huge profits in the early 1600s by “allowing master craftsmen to continue forging foreign coins, usually for merchants who had them made and then exported the counterfeit money to other States.” The crime didn’t go unnoticed, and there were even a few death sentences: in 1603, the Senate of the Republic of Venice sentenced two Mazzetti cousins and put a bounty of ten thousand silver ducats on their heads. The plating is obvious, with the copper core showing through in several spots. 11.54 grams
Dutch crowns are so attractive. I have a few, but mostly I do ancients now. But nice to see 'em on this thread. Here're mine, three centuries worth: Here's some more recent Dutch crowns - but with Asian chopmarks, Dutch East Indies, presumably? Not sure:
The only coin that I own from Zutpen is this daalder of 30 stuivers, 1689. As is typical of coins of this type the strike is uneven, the coin worn (apparently they saw wide domestic circulation), and overall quite crude. I think anything VF or better are truly premium coins for this type. This coin has some adjustment marks on the reverse. Apparently the flan was somewhat overweight. KM 20 15.97 grams
From 1597 to 1599 Zeeland produced a very distinctive lion daalder. Unlike the typical lion daalder, which has a rampant lion on the reverse, the Zeeland coins have a reverse depicting a lion above and waves below. It is repeated on the obverse's shield. This design is unique to Zeeland; no other mint used this design. The result is what I think is the most attractive lion daalders around. A well struck example is something to behold. Zeeland lion daalder, 1599 Dav. 8870
I am enjoying the pictures and stories of your coins. Please excuse me for my questions as I am not a collector of coins from other countries other than those in the U.S. Were the coins in the pictures bought from or through coin dealers in the U.S. Can you give this poor boy information where the coins can be seen first hand or at least a place or person that sells the Silver Lion coins? I probably was duped into buying a 2017 Lion Dollars, .9999, 1 Ounce Silver, in the U.S. that had been graded by NGC, PF70UC, First Release and a 2018 that was graded by NGC, PF70EC. I really liked them and probably paid too much for them as some of you have done. My father had an Admiral Gardner 1808 East India Company, One Penny, which he probably saw in a magazine. Anyway, I don't know much about buying coins from other countries, other than I have read here. You are all a wealth of information that has lead me to some interesting buys. Thanks so much for your information. Please, keep it coming.
The coins that I posted were acquired over the years from several sources, including Karl Stephens (US), Schulman (Netherlands), CNG (US), Ponterio and Associates (US, merged with another firm many years ago), dealers at coin shows and my local coin dealer in San Jose, CA. If you are interested in buying an example or two of this interesting and historic coins, I suggest that you look at the dealer inventories on websites such as MA Shops (Europe) or VCoins (US). This is a way to assure that the coin you buy is backed up by the seller. I have purchased on eBay as well, and some reputable dealers also sell there, but it is more a gamble generally speaking. Here's link to the VCoins page for lion daalders. I have not purchased from the dealers listed, but they do back their coins. https://www.vcoins.com/en/Search.as...cords=100&SearchOnSale=False&Unassigned=False Here's the link to MA Shops, using lowenthaler as the search criterion. These are almost all European dealers, and the inventory is more extensive than VCoin's. Like VCoins, MA Shops has a return policy for its sellers. However, remember that if you buy a lion daalder from MA Shops, foreign exchange usually applies, plus the added time for shipping from Europe. https://www.ma-shops.com/shops/search.php?searchstr=lowenthaler&catid=-1&lang=en If you have any more questions, let me know.
That's an interesting coin, Paul. It's from Overijssel. Generally the style of your coin is very similar to the rijksdaalders issued in the first half of the 1600s. There is some weakness mainly in the legends, but that's to be expected with these hammer struck coins. The centers are quite nice. Do you have the coin's weight? What did the Dutch dealers say about it, other than it might be a contemporary imitation, which actually adds to the coin's appeal for me. The legends on your coin seem normal to me. Often they get quite muddled on imitations, although I've also seen anomalies on coins from the Netherlands as well, especially with retrograde letters. The rijksdaalders from this period are usually quite crude. Apparently the need to produce lots of them precluded the quality of the dies. I do have one from this period, but I need to find it! The collection is poorly organized. I did dig out an earlier example, with William the Silent on the obverse. This coin came from Karl Stephens over 20 years ago. United Provinces, Holland, rijksdaalder, 1592. D-8841 28.63 grams When I find the other coin I'll post it. You might try sending the photo of your coin to Karl Stephens for his opinion. Thanks for posting your coin.