body bags VS slabs what happens if left in body bag

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Southernman189, Dec 21, 2021.

  1. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    I bought this 1900 IHC from a disgruntled coin collector that sent it in for slab but came back in a bodybag. Instead of properly caring for it he left it in the plastic flip for roughly 35 years. I got it cheap and still stapled to the certification card. This is why I don't like Body bags from places like ANACS and PCGS and NGC. how do you folks react to body bag coins? WIN_20211221_18_20_23_Pro.jpg WIN_20211221_18_20_50_Pro.jpg WIN_20211221_18_27_25_Pro.jpg WIN_20211221_18_21_49_Pro.jpg
     
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  3. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    There's some value to that cert just from a historical "slab" perspective. If you're talking someone more recent from PCGS/NGC I would just take it out the flip is worthless, not to mention if you're getting that now its very likely from PVC on the coin
     
  4. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    I was going to put the coin in a normal paper flip with staples but unsure about the documentation about being certified. could just toss the cert. I guess
     
  5. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    I cant remember if those flips are sealed or not, or if yours is. If its not you could take the coin out and could probably sell the cert for a few bucks to someone. There are people that collect those so I wouldnt throw it away
     
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  6. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    yeah it is stapled that's another reason coin was dark and the coin collector was mad, he spent good money for that
     
  7. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    The picture on it would be how to match them up anyways since you can staple anything to anything. I dont see any reason why you shouldnt move the coin if you wanted to
     
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  8. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I’d leave in the body bag. It’s a form of authenticity.
     
  9. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    They have 0 impact on authenticity. The authenticity is from the pictures on the cert in this case. A stapled flip means nothing

    For a long time they've just been flips with stickers.
     
  10. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    The ones I’ve seen saw genuine. Good enough for me consider it authentic:
     
  11. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Huh? You seem to be missing the entire point or didnt explain that well
     
  12. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It’s my explanation.
     
  13. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    I didn't see why it was body bagged. Your photos don't show it, but I'd be interested to know.
     
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  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    It wasn't bodybagged. That is how they were done and packaged by ANACS from 1972 to 1990. That is the certificate style they used from roughly 12/18/1985 to 12/18/1986. It's listed in my book as ANACS 7. If it was bodybagged the certificate would have said CLEANED or some other designation.

    We do prefer to have them with the coin that belongs with it though. I don't believe the ANACS 7 certificate is a rare one (although all of them are becoming scarce) but an ANACS 7T would be. The T indicates a Transfer certificate which was issued when a owner sold a coin and sent it back to ANACS to have the ownership transferred and a new certificate issued. Those certificates have the word TRANSFER on them and include both the original certification date and the date the ownership was transferred. Very few collectors ever bothered to send a coin back to ANACS for transferring so all transfer certificates are rare.
     
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  15. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    sounds like the certificate is worth more then the coin lol
     
  16. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Listen to Conder folks, he knows his slabs. :)

    @Conder101 do you recall if any certificates mentioned to remove the coin from the flip (as that was just meant as temporary storage)? For some reason I thought I saw that but maybe I'm just making it up.
     
  17. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    Sounds like that "old system" was pretty bad. this coin was onpretty good shape when it was sent in and sent back. It was stored in that crappy container (even though it should not have been) pretty much lowered the coin value. Anyway I got it for a good price so my win anyway.
     
  18. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Theres a reason the TPGs switched to slabs lol.

    Honestly though if NGC was smart they'd bring it back for ancients or at least offer it as an option instead of the slab
     
  19. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    There were few to no slabs yet, so this was the way it was done. Plus the majority of coins were still kept raw at that time. The flip was used to send it in to grade (just like flips are still used today). Once the person got the coin back, it was up to them to move the coin into something more appropriate for long term storage. I've seen Anacs photo certs where the coin was moved to a capital plastics holder. I've also seen some in those same flips where the coin was still fine many years later.
     
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  20. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    None of the certificates did, and I don't recall any advice to do so on any other paperwork from them.
     
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  21. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    This is not a TPG "Body Bag", in the sense that it was submitted to...and rejected for grading....by a TPG.
    There is no evidence presented that the individual that you received the piece from, had actually 'submitted" the piece to another TPG for graded encapsulation.

    It seems more likely to me that the individual assumed it had been "body bagged", because of lack of knowledge, and viewed the flip and and the staple as a 'rejection'.

    Leave it alone. I would, without counting, estimate I have 40+ of the same ANACS encapsulated pieces attached to the certificate, and I would not consider removal and/or resubmittal. It is the history and the piece is what it is.


    Do what you want, though. It is your piece.

    Lastly, had the piece been sent to another TPG for grading, it would not have been returned in the manner your photos depict.
     
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