Proskynesis before Christ - Palaeologan Piety and the Curious Case of the Kneeling Emperor - Papacy

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That's a good question, regarding @Quant.Geek's Sear 2334 coins. I would like to know the answer.

 

Update 4 : If I go to ACsearch, and perform the following search :
"andronicus ii" 2334
I find the 3 coins that @The Trachy Enjoyer mentioned.
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term="andronicus+ii"+2334&category=1-2&lot=&thesaurus=1&images=1&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&currency=usd&order=3
The first of the 3 coins in the above ACsearch
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=298287
has the highest degree degree of Proskynesis, because the Emperor's torso is almost horizontal.
This is the 2nd example of Sear 2334, that I have seen, that has the highest degree of Proskynesis.

 

That Sear 2334 example, which I just mentioned in my previous post
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=298287
is one of 3 coins in the auction lot.
The auction lot description is partially erroneous. The 1st coin in the auction lot, is erroneously described as being Sear 2330. It is really Sear 2332, because it is described as having "Virgin presenting crouching Andronicus to Christ" and is described as being "LPC p. 38, 8". The 2nd coin in the auction lot, is correctly described as being Sear 2334. The 3rd coin in the auction lot, is described as "apparently unpublished", and therefore no Sear number is given.
Luckily for the purpose of this discussion, the photo shown for the auction lot, is a photo of the Sear 2334 coin.

 

And the other two are mine

 

@Quant.Geek, in the ACsearch
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term="andronicus+ii"+2334&category=1-2&lot=&thesaurus=1&images=1&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&currency=usd&order=3
it looks like the 2nd coin, the black coin, is yours. But it looks like the 3rd coin, the green coin, is a different coin, than your green coin.
Looking more closely at your green coin, it looks like your green coin is the 3rd example of Sear 2334, which I have seen, which has the highest degree of Proskynesis, because the Emperor's torso is horizontal. The Emperor's torso is visible, and I can see the loros hanging down, from the Emperor's neck.

 

Nice example! I really like this coin type, it is so different compared to the predecessors.
This is mine, you have seen it already:

Andronicus II Palaeologus, 1282-1328. AV Hyperpyron Nomisma. Constantinople mint, 1282-1294.
Obverse: Bust of the Virgin orans within the city walls furnished with six groups of towers; in lower field, CZ-ZC sigla.
Reverse: ANΔPO/NIKOC E/ XΩ T C/IΛIΠ/TICO IC/XC Andronicus on left, nimbate and kneeling right blessed by Christ standing facing on right, with decorated nimbus, holding Book of Gospels; between them fleur-de-lis; to right, C/N.
Reference: DOC 225 var (sigla). PCPC 91B Sigla 77 var. SB 2326.
25mm, 4.28g

 

These are very nice in gold, but I would very much prefer the copper variation although considering its rarity it might cost as much as a commoner gold variation.

 

You are correct. Its the same auction house that I got the third coin from, but a different auction and different lot. It was sold as an imitation of Hyperpyron Nomisma but in reality it is just Sear-2334.

 

Based on appearances, I would say so. However, it would be difficult to say if Hyperpyron dies were used to strike the AE coins or if fresh dies were engraved for the AE issues. Perhaps a die study could resolve that question (if it hasn't already been solved)

Hehe I was the under bidder on that example a while ago...Naville if I recall correctly