Austrian THALER

Coins of Ludwig II don't seem to be hard to find. There are several listed in upcoming auctions at coinarchives.com
The Siegestaler you are showing in your post sold recently for 110 euros.

I don't have a Ludwig II coin, but I do have one of his younger brother Otto, who never actively ruled because of alleged severe mental illness.

AU 10 Mark, München, 1907 (mintmark D), Mintage: 211,211
19.5 mm, 3.972 g
Ref.: KM 994, Friedberg 3771;

Ob.: OTTO KOENIG V. BAYERN, Bust facing left; mintmark D
Rev.: DEUTSCHES REICH 1907, imperial eagle * 10 Mark *

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@cmezner - maybe I'll just look for a pretty one then. LOL

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ LOL - that's a smart move for now - I am sure you can find one

 

Did someone mention Sieges Thalers . . . . ?

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you can buy a proof Maria Theresien Taler @ 36.77 Euro at Austrian Mint

https://www.muenzeoesterreich.at/anlegen/anlagemuenzen/maria-theresien-taler

 

Those are all "Nachprägungen" (restrikes from 2011 and 2017)

 

I'm trying to ID a counterstruck one I recently purchased. Anyone want to take a shot at the host coin?

 

Did someone say "counterstruck Maria Theresa Thaler?'

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@GeorgeM Very interesting countermark - never seen it before.

 

In the province of Geldern, Netherlands, there was a silver coin called Snaaphan struck in the 16th century after a Dukaton also called silver rider, that has Karl von Egmont riding a horse, but that was before the time of Maria Theresia.

Perhaps you can find such a countermark looking through past German and Austrian auctions?

 

In trying to ID the variety, I'm having some trouble understanding the tail feather distinctions. Can anyone explain that to me?

One thing I noticed is that the serifs on the legend seem to vary pretty wildly. This counterstruck piece has letters that rarely end in flat capitals (usually with forked feet instead). The closest I've found with similar pattern is the H41a. The R in "BURG" and the A in "AVST" are what I'm keying into. But, the A in "ARCHID" also has forked legs, which is not the case in H41a.
http://www.theresia.name/cgi-bin/Token.cgi?Item=H41a



I also noticed that the dots between the S.F. on the obverse are not level with the lower register. Instead, they are more like the upper dot of a colon (S:F: but without the lower dot).


http://www.theresia.name/cgi-bin/Token.cgi?Item=H41a

If anything, the markers I keyed into seem to be repeated on H97, which is also a counterstamped piece, but the resource I found notes that the host coin appears to be post 1945 (possibly a fantasy piece?):
http://www.theresia.name/cgi-bin/Token.cgi?Item=H97

 

I have found this at http://www.theresia.name/en/svariants.html maybe it helps:

"Various articles claim that the Maria Theresia Taler was re-struck with an unchanged appearance since 1780. However, this is only really true for restrikes made after about 1850. Earlier strikes are typically relatively easy to identify. Unfortunately, the statement may cause collectors - and sometimes dealers - to believe that their coins might be original coins struck in 1780 or shortly thereafter. Sometimes such coins will actually be sold as "original strike". This statement is incorrect, even if considering strikes dated earlier than 1858 (i.e., while the Taler was an official currency) to be originals. Most of the so called "originals" have in reality been struck after 1858, there’s no way to tell if a coin is older or newer then another. In other words no dates. Key identification characteristics for the 1780 strikes are in particular the form of the brooch in the veil on the obverse (no pearls, except for the later Vienna mint strike), the form of the letter 'U' in the reverse (AUST.DUX instead of AVST.DUX), the form of the cross next to the the year on the obverse, and the form of the ' 7 ' in the year. Older Vienna mint strikes (earlier than 1850) are signed I.C.-F.A. instead of S.F.

But have in mind that just because it's a "restrike" does NOT imply that it is "modern." Austria made a few restrikes after the demise of Franz Joseph I and the passing of the old feudal form of governance leading into WWI. Particularly on older strikes earlier than about 1850, almost each individual coin shows minor differences.

These coins, on the reverse after the date, have the symbol X which recalls the cross of Saint Andrea. It is the identifying sign of the Conventionsthaler of Maria Theresa and was stamped on the coins to commemorate the monetary reform of the "Monetary Foot of 20 florins", sanctioned by the 1753 agreement with the Duchy of Bavaria."

 

now i like that...it'd make a nice Christmas gift to a Missoura boy ^^

 

The motif of a horseback rider wielding a sword over his shoulder seems pretty widespread. I wonder though - which was more likely to be used in battle? Lance / polearm to spear down infantry, or a sword to fight other mounted cavalry?

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces82772.html

 

Maybe both were used by different military units? I am just guessing.

Is it possible that the horseback rider countermark was used by the province of Gelderland on the OP Taler?

 

Unhelpful to your question, but a site of interest: counterstamped Maria Theresia Talers. https://www.theresia.name/en/scountermarks.html

and edit: you likely know this, but that’s St George slaying the dragon. He’s the patron saint of the Armor/Cavalry branch in the US Army. I’ve not seen that particular counter mark before, however.

 

I did