What year did proofs become virtually 100% cameos ?

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  1. Doug21

    Doug21 Coin Hoarder

    I don't pay much attention to modern stuff. Did this happen like all in one year ?

    Sometime in the 70's, maybe ?

    I rarely look at at a coin minted after about 1950.
     
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  3. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    From the Red Book:

     
  4. walterallen

    walterallen Coin Collector

    I went and looked close at my sets of proofs and starting 1971 the sets are certainly frosted more so then average sets dating 1970 and earlier.

    I can't recall seeing a proof set from the mid to later seventies that wasn't cameo. Certainly today ultra deep cameos are more then common.

    Hope that helps.

    Allen
     
  5. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    "What year did proofs become virtually 100% cameos ?"

    I would guess middle 1860's. ;)
     
  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I my experience it was 1973. Non-cameos before 1973 are not unusual, and after 1973 very scarce. Most 1973's are cameos as well.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I would agree with Conder, but perhaps a bit of clarification is in order. Proofs, since their inception were intended to be Cameo (there were exceptions of course like the Matte Proofs). However, the mint did not make an effort to ensure that all coins produced had the cameo effect. If the die wore to the point that the cameo frost was no longer visible on the coin, production continued and non cameo examples were issued.

    To a limited degree this practice stopped in 1972 as the mint then began a concerted effort to issue only Proofs with cameo frost. But it was 1973 before the issuance of Cameos only became pervasive. For Proof coins dated 1973 and later that do not have the cameo effect are indeed, not rare, but definitely scarce.
     
  8. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    I agree but it's not for all coins,

    I agree but it's not for all coins. 1970 and above we see many cameo Kennedy's, a few less for Washington's, a few less for Roosevelt's but much less on Jefferson's and very much less on Lincoln's so it depends, (the truest answer to all questions IMO).
    It seems that the mint was paying much attention to Kennedy's and only some attention to the others.
    I did not see consistent cameos on Lincoln's till the late eighties and early 90's and even then not on all.
     
  9. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    uncle GD how about u draw us a time line for world coins. 17th century or is that wrong? someone here mentioned 1770 but i thought it was much earlier than that
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The first Proof coin made was in Great Britain in 1652 if memory serves - it was a half crown.
     
  11. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    cameo proofs seemed to become commonplace in 1973, many of these coins had cloudy or hazy fields and this seemingly stopped around 1982.

    Most proof coins from 1982 - date are of exceptional quality and it is the exception rather than the rule that these coins look anything less than spectacular.
     
  12. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    ah i feel much better :D
     
  13. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    Wow, now that is an awesome piece of trivia...I didn't know that. :thumb:
     
  14. Catbert

    Catbert Evil Cat

    Doug - I just knew you were an old guy. :rolleyes:
     
  15. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    you mean he was there???? ;)
     
  16. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector


    I concur.

    Almost all 1983 to date proofs are DCAM and '82 to date are superb. I think they might have peaked back in the '80's but every coin except culls are very high quality still.
     
  17. Doug21

    Doug21 Coin Hoarder

    Could a non-cameo proof from the 80's become worth big money, as a converse query ?

    Could something like an 82-s Kennedy that is as flat as a typical Franklin in contrast. It's probably rarer than a deep cameo Franklin ?

    I don't even know if it exists, but I'd probably buy it, as almost an error proof coin, for normal price.
     
  18. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    dont be silly how could he be there we were playing coins in his space ship. after the parting of the nile he rarely went down except to get coins :D
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Gonna get both of ya for that :kewl: :D
     
  20. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    u 2 notice he didnt mention me :D hahahahahah
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    That's because I tend to ignore the trivial ;)
     
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