Mixed Lot of Errors #12 - Comments?

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  1. StevenHarden

    StevenHarden Well-Known Member

    Hello All,

    Here is another small group of error coins I wanted to post on here to see if anyone has any comments on the type of error, rarity, value, whether it's worth it to be graded, etc. As always, any comments are greatly appreciated and any discussion is encouraged.

    NOTE #1: Error #53 appears to be triple struck and have a straight clip as well. Weight is ~2.6 grams.
    NOTE #2: Error #54 appears to be a struck fragment, broken planchet, or a ragged clip. The holder this was in says it is from a BU bag of 2003D 5c. Weight is ~4.0 grams.
    NOTE #3: Error #55 appears to have been struck on a elliptical planchet. Weight is ~4.6 grams
    NOTE #4: Errors #56-58 are all 2007 Montana quarters. These appear to be Die Adjustment Strikes / Die Trials. Weights are as follows: #56 (top coin) ~5.7 grams, #57 (bottom left) ~5.7 grams, #58 (bottom right) ~5.7 grams.

    Now to the coins.....
    ERROR #53
    Error53a.JPG
    Error53b.JPG
    ERROR #54
    Error54a.JPG
    Error54b.JPG
    Error54c.JPG
    ERROR #55
    Error55a.JPG
    Error55b.JPG
    ERRORS #56-58 (Top, Bottom Left, Bottom Right)
    Error56-58a.JPG
    Error56-58b.JPG
    [#56(left) #57(middle) #58(right)]
    Error56-58c.JPG

    THANK YOU.

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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    #53 - Triple Struck. 1st strike was normal then saddle struck on both ends. No Incomplete Planchet.

    #54 - Incomplete Planchet - Ragged Edge Clip

    #55 - I'm thinking struck on Elliptical Planchet.

    #56 - #58
    (All 3 are Struck through grease. Worn Die Strikes.)
    Edit*
    Or what @alurid stated.. Weak strikes with a great reference.
     
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  4. alurid

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  5. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    I am curious if coin # 53 could be a Saddle Strike. The alignment of two secondary strikes look to be directly across from each other and there is a little bit of a buckling on the small indent side. It just looks to perfect for a random third strike to occur that way.
     
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  6. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    The only thing I can add to what @paddyman98 and @alurid have said is that for error #55, the planchet was actually round and sheared during strike to be elliptical. I'm sure everyone here is aware of this, but I just wanted to clarify the "struck on elliptical planchet" wording, which makes it sound as though the planchet fed in with an elliptical shape. Technically, this is called an "elliptical strike".
     
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    alurid Well-Known Member

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  9. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    @StevenHarden you have some of the most interesting error coins. Where do you find them? Thank you for these posts as I love seeing all of the different errors and I'm learning more about errors.
     
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  10. Silver hound

    Silver hound New Member

    Planchet is die struck has reeding one side is smooth and weighs less than a silver quarter. It seems to be silver maybe a foreign planchet.
     

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  11. SamuelFred1

    SamuelFred1 I Guess I'm Kind Of a Decent Member at This Point?

    Ah- I see you took my advice. Thank you. Now- I have no idea what is happening with that quarter, but my best guess is that it was struck through something. My advice isn't exactly worth much, so wait until an expert like @paddyman98 evaluates it.
     
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  12. Silver hound

    Silver hound New Member

    Paddy man just liked it
     
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  14. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Looks like something may be really wrong here . First is how can it be larger in diameter than a normal quarter and still have reeding on it ? I can see how one blank side could have been done at the mint but not the larger diameter. When examining my coins I look for things that would be almost impossible to be a mint error before trashing them. Your coin looks like it may have been altered but I'm not saying it really was just from looking at the images.
     
  15. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Please post in your own thread. Also, your coin looks like it was shaved down and damaged. That's why it weighs less.
     
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  16. StevenHarden

    StevenHarden Well-Known Member

    @paddyman98
    @alurid
    @Seattlite86

    Thank you all for your replies and comments.

    #53
    First off, I agree that this is triple struck. As for this being a saddle strike, I am still not sure. There are small indents in the rim near the base of Lincoln's vest as well as near the 'D' in 'GOD' which may indicate the beginnings of a hump as described here: http://www.error-ref.com/saddle-strike-without-hump/
    I still wonder about #53 having a straight clip. Here are a few photos of what I am referring to:
    Error53a1.jpg
    Error53b1.jpg
    Error53c1.jpg
    Error53d1.jpg

    #54

    I agree that this is a ragged edge clip.

    #55
    I agree with calling this an elliptical strike clip. The example I have seems to fit well with the characteristics as describe at the following: http://www.error-ref.com/elliptical-strike-clips/

    #56-58
    I would call all of these weak strikes per the following: http://www.error-ref.com/weak_strikesinsufficientrampressure/

    I agree with @mikediamond (I believe he authored the above reference) that it is impossible to know for certain if this truly is a die trial piece or if it is "the result of spontaneous equipment malfunction".

    It is interesting that one of the photo examples provided in the above reference is also a weakly-struck 2007 Montana quarter. I am not sure about the reference to these being struck on a Schuler press that "doesn't even require ram pressure and die clearance to be adjusted by means of a test run". I would think that regardless of what requirements a press needs to generate a test run, the operator would still want to strike a few test trial examples. Even so, true die trial examples would be exceeding rare in comparison to what is likely just known as 'weak strikes' (not grease strikes).

    As a final reference in regards to #56-58, refer to page 133 on the following: https://minterrornews.com/issue54.pdf
    Page 133 shows Mint Errors News Price Guide for Die Adjustment Strikes as updated March 2020. Under the denomination of state quarters there is a price listing for "XF/AU" examples of "N/A" and "Unc" examples at $200. For those of you familiar with these types of errors, does that price level sound accurate?

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    To everyone: Please review the above information and feel free to ask me any questions or discuss anything I have included. Or, if any of you have any new information to include, please do so.

    Thank You.
     
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  17. StevenHarden

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  18. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    @StevenHarden I'm afraid the ragged clip question goes beyond my ability to diagnose, but I see the logic in your questioning.
     
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  19. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Hello Steven , It looks a little bit like your ragged clip coin may have been struck on a cracked planchet and may have still been attached at both edges. It looks like it has kept moving back and forth until it separated. This is only my opinion and I could easily be wrong . Images can make things look different .
     
  20. StevenHarden

    StevenHarden Well-Known Member

    @Seattlite86
    @rascal

    I still believe that #54 is a ragged clip. There is no evidence that I see that would indicate this is a broken coin or broken planchet error.

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    I am still curious what anyone has to say about #53 having a straight clip as I have inquired above (note the green markings on the pictures above).

    Also, I am interested in what anyone thinks on the valuations of #56-58, also inquired above.

    Thank You.
     
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  21. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    I don't think the VA 25c is an elliptical strike clip. It lacks the necessary diagnostics (e.g., rounded shoulder on one face, thick vertical flange on the opposite face). The rim and edge next to UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is peculiar in its own way, but without an edge-on view of the edge, it's hard to say what's going on. Right now, the preponderance of the evidence supports an elliptical clip planchet.
     
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