Chinese fake STILL on eBay

Each year since 2015, Whitman is publishing a hugely thick (about 3 inches thick) version of the "Red Book" that is a huge expansion of detail compared to the classic one. But in addition, each year they choose one series to do a "deep dive" into. The one that came out in 2015 was large cents, the one that came out in Spring of 2016 was small cents, and the one that came out last Spring was nickels. I'm guessing the new one will feature dimes.

 

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Marshall, research article on the 1797: https://coinweek.com/recent-article...97-s-136-large-cent-1-page-attribution-guide/

These deceptive struck ones are ending up in TPG holders (I own 9 different "varieties" in TPG holders).

 

Thanks for the info.

 

One further note: these new expanded Red Books have gotten the moniker "Mega Red". Those words do not appear on the first one; it was a market-given nickname. But by the time the second one came out, Whitman had FULLY adopted the name. It's now on the spine in huge letters.

 

Sorry, I just could not see past the corrosion with my tired old eyes.

 

The pitting would have given me pause as it doesn’t look like genuine environmental damage. But otherwise that’s a really high quality fake I’ll agree

 

The OP is one of the most knowledgeable guys on this forum in his area of interest. I've personally learned much from him and have little doubt many others could do the same.

Indeed, but was already addressed by the OP in the OP.

 

Yes indeed and I can now see this as the thread expanded. I have learned a whole lot now that I have read the posts since I posted earlier. And I can really appreciate the effort put into all of this. I have learned something new in the past couple of days.

 

Nicely said, Tommy.

 

Here is another Fake from the same manufacturer offered by someone I have done business with. I just notified him and fully expect it to be taken down shortly.

Here is the Manufacturers photo.

 

I love reading articles like this. Many Kudos for your efforts. I'm still identifying the obvious fakes which are easy. You're doing the work on those I'd probably miss.

Again, Thank You.

 

The first things I see on that fake is that the hair strands are all a bit fatter than normal and the wreath on the reverse is quite mushy, even for an S-136.

But it is much better than the average fakes floating around nowadays.

 

"L" to cap is different; corroded example head looks more like 1796 (S-85).

 

When I read “The manufacturer has appeared to change the reverse die to another from a later era, but the obverse is clear.”, I thought he was just talking about the manufacturer’s picture. I guess that’s what happens when you do coin stuff in a rush.

 

I was referring to the 1797. Did you mean to quote @Marshall ?

I agree. The corroded coin and the fake 1795 were not struck from the same dies.

 

Yes, I was referring to Marshall's note about the corroded example and the Ali 1795!

The 1797 "S-136" is a very deceptive one until you break it down like you did.

 

Not to self promote but one of contemporary circulating counterfeits - World chapter of "Forgotten Coins" was a modern fake but it was unintentional and put out by Readers Digest in the 20thC.. What people do then is use acid to remove the copy or replica area. I did a SEM/EDS analysis and saw a high level of chlorides in that area I believed was etched suggesting a mineral acid such as hydrochloric acid was used. It verified the etching process in my opinion. Good thread! In the beginning I thought the same in this thread that Young was wrong and this was a good burial find. Yes using a Modern Chinese coin then performing an acid etch or some other slow corrosion. The weight on this coin would prove interesting. In general as a coin goes from Mint State to say VG as is this coin or higher it may lose only ~ 5% of its weight. We did this study in the first book of Counterfeits Eight Reales with Robert Gurney. Good thread - he is a CROOK. Remember - many of these Chinese gangs use U.S. Ebay fronts then after 50 or so transactions open up a new account. Great side by side pics!

John Lorenzo
Numismatist
United States

 

Thanks, I think...

Jack D. Young EAC 5050

 

Agreed on the L being wrong on this Fake. I went back before reading this post. I'm still having trouble with the distances to R and T from the hair to feel comfortable with the S-85. I was actually hoping that was the attribution before spotting the fake.