Posthumous Commemorative

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  1. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    When I was scanning the list of ancients forum posts early this morning I saw @Marsyas Mike 's thread—My First Postumas... My pre-coffee :wacky: unfocused eyes read—My First Posthumous—anyway I prepared a graphic for my first posthumous commemorative coin.

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    Last edited: Oct 21, 2017
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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Nicely centered coin with honest wear and a lot of eye-appeal!
     
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  4. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Sweet. Do you know if it was minted under Titus or Domitian? Anyway, great coin. I still don't have a Divus coin, so I've got nothing to share.
     
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  5. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Titus.
     
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  6. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    Titus—but I'm going to do more research on that :bookworm:
     
  7. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    Thanks, David!
     
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  8. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Nice presentation. My only quibble is with the date. 69-79 AD should appear under Vespasian's name and 80 AD under 'Posthumous Commemorative'. The way it reads now it states the coin was struck 69-79, which it clearly was not!
     
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  9. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Very nice!!

    I managed to grab a budget example off FAC:


    Vespasian, 1 July 69 - 24 June 79 A.D., Commemorative Issued by Titus

    Silver denarius, RIC II, part 1, Titus 357; RSC II 497; BMCRE II 129; BnF III 101; SRCV I 2569, aVF, excellent portrait, toned, Rome mint, 3.230 grams, 18.5 mm, die axis 180o, posthumous, 80 - 81 A.D.; obverse DIVVS AVGVSTVS VESPASIANVS, laureate head right; reverse two Capricorns supporting shield inscribed S C, globe below.

    One 23 June 79 A.D. Vespasian died from fever and diarrhea. Known for his humor, his last words on his deathbed were, "I think I`m turning into a god." Titus succeeded his father as Roman emperor and issued this coin to commemorate his father's consecration.

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  10. Johndakerftw

    Johndakerftw Mr. Rogers is My Hero

    That denarius is pretty sick yo! headbang.gif

    Erin
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    You know I like that type. :)


    Mine is away at NGC right now.

    Ancient Roman Empire: silver "Capricorn" denarius of Vespasian, struck by Titus ca. 80-81 AD

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    Obverse: DIVVS AVGVSTVS VESPASIANVS, laureate head right.
    Reverse: two Capricorns supporting shield inscribed S C, celestial globe below.

    Rome mint, RIC II, part 1, Titus 357; RSC II 497; BMCRE II 129; BnF III 101; SRCV I 2569. 19.3 mm, .541 g, die axis 180 degrees. Ex-Forum Ancient coins, 11/27/2015, prior provenance to the the Jeff Michniak Collection.

    Vespasian was an important Roman emperor. He was the victor of the civil war and "Year of Four Emperors" in 69 AD, the founder of the Flavian dynasty, a masterful military commander, and the emperor who began construction of the Flavian Amphitheater, better known as the Colosseum, which would be completed under his son Titus.

    It is evident from the realistic portrait here that he was not the most handsome man in history, but the coin itself is. The accounts of his death from diarrhea are not pretty either, but he is rumored to have said, "Oh dear, I think I am becoming a god", in a witty reference to the Roman practice of deifying dead emperors. By the time Titus issued this posthumous commemorative in his honor, he had in fact achieved that status: we see the title "Divus" in the coin's obverse legend.

    This coin was described by the seller as "the nicest example of this type handled by Forum to date". That wasn't the determining factor in my decision to buy it, but it certainly didn't hurt. And I have long liked capricorn types on Roman coins, as that happens to be my zodiac symbol. (Not that I have much use for astrology beyond amusement purposes.) Note the nice broad flan and "full circle" of beading around the reverse.

    Here I'll pause to tip my hat to @AncientJoe, of mighty Colosseo Collection fame. He not only helped me with the "shadowbox" Photoshop template you see in this coin's images, but has also been a good advisor on ancient coin purchases. I was pleased when he approved of this one, especially so when he pointed out that an only marginally nicer example of the same type had just sold for nearly four times what I paid for this piece. The generous gift of his valuable time has been much appreciated.

    Miscellaneous links:
    Larger image
    Former dealer listing
    Wildwinds reference page (only shows one example for this type)
    Comparison example mentioned above (Numismatica Ars Classica, Auction 86, lot 165, 10/2015)
    Prior discussion of this coin (Collectors Universe, 11/2015)

    Wikipedia links:
    Vespasian
    Titus
    Flavian dynasty
    Denarius
    Capricorn (astrology)
     
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  12. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    Yes, I see what you mean. I'll definately change it as soon as I return to my *Deacon's cave ;)

    *Edited by D.R.
     
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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Ahh, yes. The Dragon Deacon's Cave.

    A place of myth and legend.

    And treasure.

    Lots
    of treasure.

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  14. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Very nice, Ray. Love the portrait on it too. Very pleasant.
     
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  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    What made you pick this one, DR? I totally approve. Just wondering.
     
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  16. GerardV

    GerardV Well-Known Member

    When I grow up, I want to be able to create coin presentations like @Deacon Ray
     
  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    That's an admirable ambition, for sure.
     
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  18. GerardV

    GerardV Well-Known Member

    And probably out of reach for me.
     
  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Me too, alas.
     
  20. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    I purchased this one near the beginning of the year during my Vespasian buying frenzy :wacky:. I wasn't fully aware at the time that it was a posthumous issue. I really liked the reverse image of the galloping goats. I have several Vespasian denarii with the standing Jupiter image and this one was drastically different.

    Also, your coin is superb!
     
  21. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Love those Capricorns Ray!
     
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