Nazi Coin

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  1. KLJ

    KLJ Really Smart Guy

    Wasn't the Potsdam church also the "home church" of the Kaisers, and even before that, the Prussian Kings before the proclamation of the Empire?
     
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  3. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Indeed. And that is why the nazis chose that church for the opening of the "parliament" on that 21 March 1933.

    Christian
     
  4. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    One of the most interesting commemorative coins of the Nazi 3rd Reich is those commemorating Martin Luther that was issued in 1933.Yes,these are very scarce.I have never seen one turn up over here in New Zealand.

    Aidan.
     
  5. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Poor Luther ;-) In 1917 he could not be depicted on the Reformation jubilee coin because a portrait of a "non-royal" person would not have been OK at that time. And then the "450th birthday" coin is issued by Nazi Germany ...

    The 2 RM piece, by the way, is not quite that difficult to get if you don't insist on unc. quality. But the 5 RM coin is a lot more expensive indeed.

    The 1933 Luther coins are also interesting from a typographic point of view: Between 1933 and 1941 (and for some purposes even after that time) the German government used "Fraktur" types. On these two coins, however, the word Deutsches is not spelled correctly by strict Fraktur standards. Later coins used the "long s" in the middle and the "round s" at the end.

    Christian
     
  6. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    Not to belittle anyone’s claim to Nazi history, but here in Munich we have everyone beat, except MAYBE Berlin. On any given Saturday I might stroll the same street AH used when his be hall “putsch” came to a head (and gunfire), and all the tourists flock to the Hofbräuhaus, where AH gave his first important speech – in 1923.

    His office is right nearby my work. One of his apartments is not too far from mine.

    There were many more historical sites that were lost in the “urban renewal” projects of early 1945.

    But…..the only place you can find a swastika is on the coins. BTW – the antique dealer puts little stickers over the swastikas, but the coin dealer near me just puts a tray of them in his window (he also had at one time a full set of Hitler stamps on prominent display.
     
  7. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Heh, from here (Düsseldorf, NW) both Berlin and Munich are "far" away :) One time when I was in Munich we stayed at a hotel in Brienner Str, near the former "parades quarter" around Königsplatz. And we learned that quite a lot of the buildings in Munich that the nazis built or used were either destroyed in WW2 or torn down later. It's difficult - in some cases (not necessarily referring to Munich now) I am quite happy about the nazi architecture being gone, in other cases it may have been better to preserve it ...

    As for the Hofbräuhaus, I am pretty sure that most tourists who go there do so for other reasons ;-)

    Christian
     
  8. WaA140

    WaA140 New Member

    Is one considered rare or are both varieties fairly common? On a search of eBay it seemed I found more Hindenburg coins without the Swastika than with by far.
     
  9. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Right, the earlier type (no swastika) is more common. About 90 million coins of that type - all years and mintmarks combined - were made. The later type, with swastika: 50 million altogether. Even if we take into account that quite a few were probably melted down later, I would still not call either of the two types rare :)

    Christian
     
  10. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    If I were able to lean out my office window, I would see Königsplatz. I am on Brienner between the Löwenbräukeller and Königsplatz. I am not sure of any hotels nearby, but maybe there is a dicreet pension tucked away here or there.

    There is just too much history here for someone who is interested in it.
     
  11. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    A little further off-topic but ... might that be anywhere near the Amerikahaus? Not sure where I stayed then; we were there for the Analytica trade show, and rooms were hard to get. Was rather the pension type than a big hotel - and I do remember that that Stiglmairplatz was a little closer, in terms of U-Bahn stations, than Königsplatz.

    Christian
     
  12. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    Well, my office is one of the corner of Stiglmeierplatz, so Amerikahaus is about as far as I am from Königsplatz but on the other side of it.

    I will be leaving in a couple months and it will be tough to go. But, I have been leaving behind my mark numismatically. I might someday post some pics, but only when I am gone from Germany.

    In the US, adding a little decoration to coins is allowed, but I am not sure about here.
     
  13. giladzuc

    giladzuc Senior Member

    I have both 2 and 5 nazi sikver marks. the 5 marks has about 5 mint marks for each year. After 1939 most nazi coins where made from zink or iron, including in nazi occupied lands. Some coins are hard to get such as those which were with a hole in swastika intended only for occupied lands.
     
  14. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    No problem either. You can even burn your euro notes if you want to. The only problem is, if you damage or destroy a coin or note, the Bundesbank may refuse to give you new cash for it. Which is likely if you present a pile of unidentifiable ashes claiming that this used to be several €500 notes ...

    Seems you (will) have enjoyed your stay in Munich. If yes, come back some time. If not, just keep in mind that Bavaria is not really Germany. :D

    Christian
     
  15. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    For better or worse, I know that is true. Even more so, Munich is not Bavaria, I am told.

    It has been a great 5 years, but for various reasons (high taxes being a big one) it is time to retreat.
     
  16. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Yes, the "Reichskreditkassen" coins are fairly rare. Actually a few million were made in 1940/41, but these coins were not very popular (not even among the German soldiers in the occupied countries). Many blanks were later sold as scrap metal, since due to the hole they could not even be used for German coins.

    If you want the types only, not any specific year/mintmark, you pay 20 to 70 euro here, depending on the condition. But the 10 RPf coin 1941F, for example, went away (at an auction in October 2001) for about €20,000 ...

    (By the way, in Nazi Germany there were six mints first, and then seven: As from 1938 the Vienna mint in occupied Austria made German coins too.)

    Christian
     
  17. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    What are these "hole" coins. Normal German design with a hole?

    Yes....Vienna was Germany at one point.......and from what I learned here, the allies almost gave Germany Vienna and even Prague after the war.
     
  18. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    No, the Reichskreditkassen coins were issues for various occupied territories, and were not used in Germany itself. There were two coin denominations (5 and 10 RPf) and various notes. This is what the 5 RPf coin looks like:
    http://www.reppa.de/images/JA_img/big/av/5618000030.gif

    And this is the 10 RPf coin:
    http://www.reppa.de/images/JA_img/big/av/5619000030.gif

    This is the other side (same design for both coins):
    http://www.reppa.de/images/JA_img/big/rv/5619000030.gif

    It is hard to tell how many Austrians actually wanted their country to join Germany in 1938. I think that after WW1 quite a few Austrians would have found it OK if "core Austria" (as opposed to the pre-war empire) had joined Germany. Also, the political system in Austria before 1938 was far from being a democracy. But it's still one thing to live in an authoritarian country, and a different story if the neighboring dictatorship "swallows" you.

    So creating a country, after 1945, that would have incorporated what today is Germany, Austria and even the Czech Republic, would have been a punishment for the latter two countries that had been "punished" before ...

    Christian
     
  19. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    I would have thought the same, but apparently the Allies had this one option under consideration along with all the others at the end of the war, at least according to a museum her ein Bavaria at Chiemsee.
     
  20. mitchell

    mitchell Senior Member


    Agreed there. Nations like France and Verminy spent relatively little on defense in the knowledge that the good old Mexican States of America, then known as the USA, would adhere to NATO agreements and protect their socialist arses.

    So they pumped money into social programs, while we spent billions on mutual defense, and our strength provided them an umbrella of perceived safety.

    Not that I am bitter about it. Just the facts ma'am.
     
  21. CzechDetecting

    CzechDetecting New Member

    Find loads of grotty 1,5, and 10 pfenning from WW2 here, complete with bird and bike wheel, older ones in a lot better shape than the later ones. Nice coin, never found one though, Cheers!
     
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