[ancients] A kinda scary monster from Kindya

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by TIF, Apr 13, 2014.

  1. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Buh bye wagon! That didn't last long. Observing the recent Roma auction led to logging in to the Roma auction which led to much clicking. :D

    I've admired the type and was delighted to nab this particular example.

    KARIA-Kindya-tetrobol.jpg
    KARIA, Kindya
    510-480 BC

    AR tetrobol, 2.18 gm, 11 mm, Samian standard
    Obv: head of ketos right
    Rev: geometric pattern within incuse square
    Ref: Kagan and Kritt, 'The Coinage of Kindya,' NC 1995, 1 var. (head left); SNG Keckman 920 var. (same); SNG Kayhan 815; "Asyut Hoard" 688
    ex Goldberg auction 69 lot 3156, 15 May 2012

    There are a couple of possible myths which may be represented by this coin's ketos (sea monster). Because of geography, I suspect it depicts the Trojan sea monster. To summarize, Poseidon sent the monster to terrorize Troy as revenge for a breach of contract. Laomedon didn't pay him for his work building Troy's wall, instead saying it was volunteer work, that Poseidon did the work on his own accord. An oracle proclaimed that sacrificing an occasional maiden was required.

    Unfortunately for Laomedon, one year the selected maiden was his daughter, Hesione. Herakles was in the neighborhood and struck a bargain: rescue of Hesione in exchange for a horse formerly owned by Zeus. Hesione was rescued and Laomedon reneged on the deal, which resulted in retaliatory slaying of Laomedon and his sons. (Gang wars, Greek style).

    Here's some pottery depicting this rescue of Hesione:
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    Seeing the coin and this pottery convinced me that the Ketos was based on a killer whale. After all, there is a similar appearance and killer whales do snatch prey from shores, as seen in this gruesome video.


    The man was not snatched by Orca. It was made from footage of killer whales feasting on seals. Somehow I find it harder to watch whales eating cute seals.

    Anyhoo, searching revealed that killer whales are not found in the Greek seas so my theory is wrong. "False killer whales" (Pseudorca crassidens) are though, so that's my best guess.

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    Kindya was in southwestern Anatolia (modern Turkey), southwest of Mylasa. The approximate location is marked with a yellow x below:

    MapOfGreeceAndWesternTurkeyWithKindyaMarked.jpg
    The original and larger version of this map is here.

    Post your Kindyas or sea monsters!
    (I know my favorite coinstalking victim has a Kindya ;))
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Absolutely wonderful coin. Love that monster. I've never seen one like this. I guess the wagon just can't hold you and Steve, eh?
     
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Guess not :D
    But I really need to stop for the next few months because I want to attend a coin show and that means travel and hotel... plus coin money...

    I tumbled further down the hill in last week's Heritage auction. Got a nice Nero sestertius with an unusually lovely reverse. Oh, and another mixed lot from CNG, this time all Alexandrian tetradrachms. I hope they arrive unattributed so that I can put Emmett's book to use!
     
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  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow!! => great lookin' Sea Monster, coin-Princess

    I also have an example, but my dude is facing left and sadly the top of his/her monster head is cut-off (I really like your example)


    Bing is correct in stating that you don't see too many of these babies around, eh? (very cool addition)

    => Just say "NO" to Wagons!!


    Caria, Kindya AR Tetrobol / Sea monster
    circa 510-480 BC
    Size: 12.6 mm
    Weight: 2 grams
    Obverse: Head of Ketos sea monster left
    Reverse: Latticework pattern in incuse
    Reference: SNG Keckman 920
    Other: A nice example with bold detail


    sea monster a.jpg sea monster b.jpg
     
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  6. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Thanks for the extras in your write-up (always fun to read) ...


    Huh, I am the exact same way ... I guess lil' cute animals just seem so innocent, ya know? ... yup, I don't think that I've ever made it through one of those National Geographic documentaries without changing the channel and then returning once I figure the carnage-scenes are finished!! (I'm sure that my cave-man family would have been vegetarians ... oh, but we'd have lots of cute farm animals to help plow the fields)
     
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  7. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Yep.
    IMO the OP is super entertaining & super educational.
     
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  8. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Those teeth look sharp! Glad you were the one who took this little ketos home.
    It's a nice, nice piece. Love the write up and map too.
     
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  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

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  10. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    Great pictures, and a wonderful coin! Wagons are overrated :D
     
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  11. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Wonderful coin, congrats.
     
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  12. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Superb coin, and very entertaining write-up!
     
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  13. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Very cool coin. The history channel, I think, did a show on this subject.
     
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  14. Whizb4ng

    Whizb4ng HIC SVNT DRACONES

    Wow TIF! This is a very interesting coin. The monster is quite menacing!

    I also can't wait to see the Nero sestertius!
     
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  15. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Awesome coin TIF, details off the chart, we have lots of Killer whales out here and have seen them feed on seals:vamp:, very awesome. we have new faces...:bag:
    I have been on spring brake with the Family, 4 sunny days and no rain.
    love the new coin, i have a few new coin's in tow..
     
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  16. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    woah...what an awesome coin. looks like that thing should be on the prow of a Viking ship over 1000 years later. even the reverse pattern kind of reminds me of that style...sort of.

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