1821 Capped Bust Half -- Grade Opinions

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Bonedigger, Oct 8, 2007.

  1. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Chuckle, well the other thread tanked so I'll try again. Here is an 1821 Capped Bust Half which attributed at O-106 R-1, just another relatively common variety but still one of the 450 or so out there to be had. BTW, I've only got 111 different varieties and 121 different coins in the BCBHD Collection so the hunt will continue for years... What grade would you put on this crusty busty???

    Thanks for taking a look :D
    Ben
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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Ben:
    Very nice, I'd guess at VF+.

    Love those Busties!
  4. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    [after further review] VF details, cleaned, net F.
  5. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**

    VF-20 even with the old cleaning!


    Frank
  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Sorry, but my eyes must be going, I don't see the cleaning.

    But, even if it is, still a great addition to the old collection.
  7. JeromeLS

    JeromeLS Coin Fanatic

    VF and very nice old toning.
  8. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Frank,

    Note the darker areas in and around the stars, Date and Lettering while the inner fields, Miss Liberty and the Eagle are much lighter! I may be wrong but IMHO, this is an indication of a very old cleaning.


    Frank
  9. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Frank:
    I see what you are saying, BUT, obviously a big but, would that prevent it from being graded.

    Okay, I know -- everyone hates those slabs, however, when it does come time to sell, if they are slabbed your estate will do better than if they are not.
  10. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    That, my friend is a SAD truth...

    ;)
    Ben
  11. mark_h

    mark_h Numismatist

    I want to say VF30 - it may have been cleaned, but that would not bother me on this coin. The only thing I find distracting is what looks like an old scratch on the wing. Overall another nice addition to the collection.
  12. Shortgapbob

    Shortgapbob Emerging Numismatist

    I would say VF-30 with an old cleaning.
  13. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

    Another Nice one Bone. Man I like these busties. Cleaning? Dang, this coin is almost 200 years old. Maybe it was cleaned 100 years ago, who the heck cares. It would certainly be a welcome addition to my collection, as it would I bet most anybody here.

    Keep em coming buddy.

    Jim
  14. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Chuckle, just like coin collectors. One man's VF-30 is another's VG-8.... ;)
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Yup, especially when they are not both using the same set of grading standards ;)
  16. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Indeed, :) The Bonedigger Coin Grading (BCG) system is loosely based on the RedBook standards with two other factors applied. I totally discount the color/tone (or lack of -- cleaned) of a coin and might add (or might not) a point depending on the size of the coin and it's composition.

    Personally, I think the grade of a coin should be based on the owners opinion after gathering all the peripheral information available about the series. For example a Bust Half Dollar (lettered edge) wears differently from say a Seated Liberty Half Dollar based on two factors. #1. The size difference and #2. The metallurgical make-up, the bust half is only .8924% Ag and .1076% Cu.

    Take Care
    Ben
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    And I would never have a problem with that Bone - except for one little thing. That is the problem with grading today - because everybody uses a different set of grading standards.

    And if every owner used their own set of standards, or 1 of a half dozen others - just how meaningful is the grade that they assign to one of their coins ?

    Everbody always talks about how screwed the grading system is - about how screwed up the TPG's are. Well ya know why they are screwed up ? Because we, the collectors, keep it screwed up by insisiting on using our own grading standards.

    We all need to use the same set of standards pal. Until we do - there's not a chance in the world that the TPG's will.
  18. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    TPGs ? Chuckle :D Doug you know me... ;) Buying collector coins is always going to be like buying a used car. No matter who writes what on the windshield, the flip, or the slab the person who gets the best deal ultimately knows more than the salesperson or something the seller misses...

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