Thread: Ducats ... Ducats ... Ducats

Just got some ducats back from NGC. Pleasantly pleased with the grades although the no grade of the 1/2 ducat was disappointing since the coin is so nice in hand.

1709 AUSTRIA SALZBURG FR-845 1/2D EXCESSIVE SURFACE HAIRLINES

1779 NETHERLAND UTRECHT DUCAT AU 55

1587 NETHERLAND W.FRIESLAND DUCAT AU 58

1841 (LILY) NETHERLAND DUCAT MS 61

1960 NETHERLAND DUCAT MS 65

Originally Posted by hiho

I own about 2 dozen certified Dutch ducats purchased over the past ten years or so, including an 1849 that ANACS slabbed years ago as MS63, someday I'll resubmit it to NGC and see what they say. Only 14000 of these were minted, it's a pretty rare date.

But is it a Netherlands ducat or one of the millions of Russian copies ?

Who wants to guess the grade that NGC assigned this?

I'm going to guess they said either 53 or 55. Personally I'd say 45 if I was grading it.

Very nice additions Conrad I'd like to see other pics of the half ducat myself as I can't make out the mentioned hairlines in the pic.

And for those that don't know this, that 1960 ducat (which is gorgeous by the way) is the 3rd rarest of the entire series (1586 to date) by mintage. It is a very good catch for any ducat collector !!

Originally Posted by Eduard

ps-am I guessing right you are probably of Dutch descent?

No ... French
I just seem to have gravitated more towards the Low Countries since I started collecting gold ... a little of Doug's influence I suppose

hiho ... I'll say AU58 .... It is a very nice ducat !!

Doug here's larger pics of the Salzburg 1/2 ducat.
The main area in question is at 11:00 and 4:00 on the obverse. The reverse is very clear.

Originally Posted by silvereagle82

... a little of Doug's influence I suppose

Oh you poor misguided soul

Say it isn't so

Originally Posted by GDJMSP

Oh you poor misguided soul
Say it isn't so

OK I did ... its part of my therapy

Doug/Anyone,

Was the West Friesland ducat minted at the Amsterdam or Dordrecht mint? or was there a West Friesland mint somewhere else??

I would like to note that the 1587 ducat was the first year of minting of the West Friesland ducat. It is of the Hungarian type design.

1586 was the first year of minting of the Netherlands-United Provinces' ducat. They were struck at the provinces of Holland,Gelderland, Friesland, Zeeland,
and Utrecht.

Originally Posted by silvereagle82

No ... French
I just seem to have gravitated more towards the Low Countries since I started collecting gold ... a little of Doug's influence I suppose

French, hey Monsieur? Hmmm, then maybe you can help my son attribute this coin (which we he fell in love with, and 'had' to buy at a coin show). All I know is that it is medieval french. I would really appreciate the help.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by GDJMSP

But is it a Netherlands ducat or one of the millions of Russian copies ?

I'm going to guess they said either 53 or 55. Personally I'd say 45 if I was grading it.

How does one tell the difference?

Good eyes, EF-45 it is.

Originally Posted by silvereagle82

No ... French
I just seem to have gravitated more towards the Low Countries since I started collecting gold ... a little of Doug's influence I suppose

Originally Posted by Eduard

French, hey Monsieur? Hmmm, then maybe you can help my son attribute this coin (which we he fell in love with, and 'had' to buy at a coin show). All I know is that it is medieval french. I would really appreciate the help.

Thanks!

Eduard.

It is a 1461-1483 Louis XI Ecu d'or a la couronne. Saint-Lo mint.
(Friedberg #312)

Legends:
Obv: LVDOVICVS⁰DEI⁰GRA⁰FRAnCOR⁰REX
REV: XPS⁰VInCIT⁰XPS⁰REGnAT⁰XPS⁰ImPERAT

I'd let your son research the interpretation of the legends (Latin) If he can't find anything I'll help.

Eduard - I will mention that your son's coin looks to be an ex-jewelry mount.