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Old 03-09-2004, 01:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Cool Irish Coins

Hello my name is Bulk,
I am looking to buy 1000's of pre decimal Irish coins. I will pay 10 pence sterling for each coin and for your P and P.
Please respond if this offer interests you.


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Old 03-09-2004, 01:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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sorry i forget to metion that i am only interested in Irish Pre Decimal Pennys.
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Old 03-30-2004, 08:45 AM   #3 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=bulk]Hello my name is Bulk, I am looking to buy 1000's of pre decimal Irish coins. ... QUOTE]

Gee, that was rather limited... I mean, I hope you find the material and all... but what about the numismatics of Ireland? Well, as it so happens....
Transcript No. 1952 March 28, 2000
IRELAND'S POET LAUREATE
by Michael Marotta

William Butler Yeats won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1923. He
was regarded as the greatest poet of his time. What you may not know
though is that Yeats was also in charge of the committee that designed
Ireland's present series of coins.
Yeats was born in Dublin on June 13, 1865. At that time Ireland was
completely under the control of England. While working in England, Yeats
joined other Irish patriots who eventually won independence for the Emerald Isle. A world-renown playwright and poet, Yeats was elected to the Irish Senate. He chaired the committee that chose the designs for the coins of the new Irish Free State.
Yeats had seen classical Greek coins while studying and writing in
Italy during the late 1800s. He arranged for all of the artists on this
project to receive ancient Hellenistic coins, so they could see for
themselves the powerful images he wanted to bring to Ireland's coins. But, the committee and the artists who would be designing the coins were limited by two things. In the words of Yeats: "Our coins must pitch and spin to please the gambler, and pack into rolls to please the banker." William Yeats died on January 28, 1939, at the age of 73.
After seventy years, Ireland's coins have changed little from the
winning designs of Percy Metcalf, a young sculptor recommended by the
British School in Rome and selected by Yeats' committee. The horse, bull, salmon, hound and other animals of Ireland's eight circulating coins were all joined by a common symbol of Ireland's poetic tradition: the Celtic harp.
Today's program was written by Michael Marotta. Take a tour of ANA's virtual Money Museum on the web at www.money.org. "Money Talks" is a copyrighted production of the American Numismatic Association, 818 N. Cascade Ave., Colorado Springs, CO 80903, 719/632-2646, ana@money.org, http://www.money.org.
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Old 03-30-2004, 08:51 AM   #4 (permalink)
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... and after 2000, Ireland went to the Euro.

Northern Ireland has private banks that issue interesting notes. I have one for my Aviation series, honoring Furgeson of Massey-Furgesen tractors.

The Republic of Ireland probably enjoyed a nice export business in coins. If you look at the Krause SCWC, you will see that they did not mint coins in all years. They did not need to. They probably would not have needed to even to that level, but American tourists kept taking coins home as souvenirs.

With the New Age addiction to Anything Celtic, Irish coins are always popular, even beyond numismatists and collectors. The crown with its Horse is always a winner, as is the dog. It is hard to get people interested in the Pig, but the Hen and Chicks on the Pence is undeniable. Show one and you will have to give it away.

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... and after 2000, Ireland went to the Euro.
And I wonder why the horse, bull, salmon, hound and other animals of Ireland's eight circulating coins were all replaced by a common symbol of Ireland's poetic tradition: the Celtic harp :-) I mean, look at the Italian, Greek or Austrian pieces - eight different designs in each case. Some great, some ho-hum - but all different. And Eire has just that harp on each and every piece now ...

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And I wonder why the horse, bull, salmon, hound and other animals of Ireland's eight circulating coins were all replaced by a common symbol of Ireland's poetic tradition: the Celtic harp :-) I mean, look at the Italian, Greek or Austrian pieces - eight different designs in each case. Some great, some ho-hum - but all different. And Eire has just that harp on each and every piece now ...

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I know they must be the most lack lustre designed coins in the World!

Euros are bad enough, but i never was a fan of that Irish harp.
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I know they must be the most lack lustre designed coins in the World!

Euros are bad enough, but i never was a fan of that Irish harp.
Beauty - eyes - beholder ;-) I for one like many of the euro circulation coin designs. Would be interesting to know whether people, particularly those outside of Euroland, who dislike them without any further differentiation do so because they dislike the concept of the European currency in general. Now the coins of those euro countries that have only one obverse design for all eight denominations are dull in my opinion, not necessarily because of the design but simply due to the lack of creativity and imagination conveyed.

Several countries chose three different designs - well, better than only one, but I still prefer the AT/GR/IT approach. In this area, of course, I mostly get German, Dutch and Belgian designs ... Time for a trip to Italy maybe :-)

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Beauty - eyes - beholder ;-) I for one like many of the euro circulation coin designs. Would be interesting to know whether people, particularly those outside of Euroland, who dislike them without any further differentiation do so because they dislike the concept of the European currency in general.
I just don't like the euro as a rule.The thing i really really hate about it is the fact that coins from different countries all have to have the same obverse (although the reverses are different) they all have to have that map of Europe on them... talk about assimilation. I can only hope we never join.

And yes i do collect European coins, mostly British stuff from the 17th century. Anything with a king on one side and a shield on the other and i'm there!

And GD's ducats captivate me, not quite as well as the Austrian ones, but you know...


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Now the coins of those euro countries that have only one obverse design for all eight denominations are dull in my opinion, not necessarily because of the design but simply due to the lack of creativity and imagination conveyed.

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I don't like standardisation, i think variation is a good thing, the euro is too standardised for my liking. Although i'm sure i could get to like the odd design, i must admit i really don't like the Netherlands stuff. Looks far too modern for my tastes, typical stereotypical conservative Brit here, if it was good enough for my great great grandfather...

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I just don't like the euro as a rule.The thing i really really hate about it is the fact that coins from different countries all have to have the same obverse (although the reverses are different) they all have to have that map of Europe on them... talk about assimilation. I can only hope we never join.
Thanks for the explanation. Well, the German coins minted in Hamburg and those minted in Munich must be even worse then, since the only difference is a tiny little mint mark ...

And from my point of view - I live in the state of North Rhine Westphalia, and am in nearby Belgium/Netherlands fairly often - those "different countries" are pretty much a thing of the past. I don't expect people there to be Germans, of course, or vice versa, but if you live or travel around here, you will notice that the old national borders are, in many regards, like state lines in the US nowadays. (FWIW, from here Amsterdam, Brussels and even Paris are closer than "our" federal capital Berlin. Guess that also influences my perception.)

The euro coins reflect this situation fairly well, I think: On one hand/side they symbolize the Union, on the other one they reflect the diversity of the member states. As for the UK, it is pretty safe to say it will not join the currency union, but then again I do not really care whether it does or not. As I wrote, had any of the member states "around here" stayed out, now that would bug me ...

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And yes i do collect European coins, mostly British stuff from the 17th century. Anything with a king on one side and a shield on the other and i'm there!
Agreed, such older coins can be fascinating, and even more so in a country with such a long continuous tradition (currency wise and in a few other regards). Well, I started as a collector of plain regular circulation coins ... and I'm still stuck with contemporary stuff. Oddly enough, I like much of that stuff ;-)

(Hope we don't deter the OP by taking this so far ...)

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Never seen a euro, except on ebay. Thank the Lord above that we will never go to the euro. The euro smacks of that "one world currency thing", too many Southern Baptists here for that one!
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Never seen a euro, except on ebay. Thank the Lord above that we will never go to the euro. The euro smacks of that "one world currency thing", too many Southern Baptists here for that one!
Somehow I believe that Texas is not planning to join the European Union any time soon; so why adopt the euro there? ;-)

And a currency that is used by about 300 million people in (mostly) one continent does not really have anything to do with a world currency. Now I would not complain if some kind of mechanism could be found that prevents major exchange rate discrepancies; I am in the US about once or twice a year, and in the five years since the euro was launched, I have seen rates between (roughly) 0.80 and 1.20 USD per EUR. May be a bit worrysome for exporters and importers, but not exactly what would call extremely volatile, and not anything that calls for "corrective" measures ...

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Christian,
I appreciate your knowledge, I didnt know about the exchange rate. I'm always on the look out, trying to prove prophecy. Bare with me, it gets silly sometime.

Ps: watch out for crop circles (ha!)
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I too have yet to see any Euros. (They don't circulate much in New Jersey, lol.) Can someone post a few here?

My father used to travel all over the world when he worked as an investment banker. He would always bring back a few foreign coins for me from his trips.

Some of them are really nice. Or at least, more interesting then our modern US coins.

Until recently, that is!: some of our state quarters are terrific!

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I too have yet to see any Euros. (They don't circulate much in New Jersey, lol.) Can someone post a few here?
This is a list of all euro circulation coins (each of them is legal tender anywhere in Euroland):
http://europa.eu.int/comm/economy_fi...mages2_en.html
The European Central Bank also has a (very similar) coins info section, basically a leftover :-) from the euro cash introduction campaign:
http://www.euro.ecb.int/en/section/euro0/coins.html

The images of the coins are not large, but you get an idea of what they look like. The euro countries also issue commemorative coins (€2 with a different country specific side; the very first one - Athens Olympics - comes out this month) and collectors coins (mostly silver and gold coins, legal tender in the issuing country only).

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Agreed, and I collect them all (circulation pieces, not from the mint). Some are very nicely designed indeed ...

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Thanks for the links!

The best state quarters IMHO are:

Vermont
RI
(and the one w/ the big leaf with all the veins -forget which state that one is from)

Seems to me the most succesful state quarters are the ones with a single design, like the Georgia Peach. The state quarters with three or four differnt things on the back, like the Ohio, Louisiana coins don't really work very well. My two cents.

Need to see the Euros in person to really judge. But they look pretty interesting. I wish we had a bi-metal coin in circulation.
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