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01-13-2009, 12:54 AM
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| | Senior Errer Collecktor
Join Date: Jul 2008
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Originally Posted by airedale  | Gawd! like eavesdropping on a soap opera!! At least you should have said it was 17 pages long 
Read them all, very interesting.
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03-01-2007, 10:44 PM
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| | DOD enhanced
Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ft leonard Wood, MO
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hmm.... PCGS, PCCS, NGC, NCG, SGS, SEGS, ICG, IGC, UGS, SUGS, KMAGS.
As you can see there is a common theme here. Grading companies and initials as names. If their name is a group of initials do not trust what the slab says. Get a book or two or three. Maybe a computer program. Look at what makes a coin a particular grade. See examples after examples of various grades.
Then you grade the coin yourself, and maybe buy the coin off of the grade you give it. You cant ever lose that way, you get a neat little coin holder, and you become more involved in your chosen hobby.
For retail purposes, of course buy cheap, sell high, and realize PCGS adn NGC will almost always sell higher than anyone else
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03-01-2007, 10:53 PM
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| | Numismatist
Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington,New Zealand.
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CoinScams,there is a website that will be of interest to you; www.coinaf.org .
Aidan.
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06-28-2008, 01:52 AM
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| | Junior Member
Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Nebraska
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| Abon Coins aka SGS
I agree, Abon Coins is really giving coin collecting a black eye. I looked at some of these MS70 SGS coins. I might give them a 60/61 rating (if that high).
You can get some good deals on eBay, but you had better know what you are doing and with whom your dealing. Everyone is an 'expert grader' it seems nowadays. I look at the coin, the higher the close-up the better, then I determine what I think it is. A lot of these MS or AU grades look more like EF-40's to me and that is how I determine my bidding, with the help of current greysheets. I am not calling anyone a liar, but if I am buying a coin, then it is my judgment, not the sellers, that counts. When I sell coins I never grade, again I feel it is the buyers responsibility to grade the coin themselves. Slabs are nice for sure when considering a coin, but it is not the only degree of judgment. I saw some coins from China, Trade Dollars, that were slabed and 'graded', by who I have no idea - never heard of them, and most of us are aware that the majority of Trade Dollars from China just "ain't" what they are suppose to be. PCGS and ANACS have been around for a long time and are respectable grading services. But coin grading is a very hard area to define, and to be sure anyone can make a mistake or a determination that another will dispute. This SGC seems real good at making mistakes or way over grading. We all want the best coins for our collections that we can afford, and sometimes it may be a MS/PR70 and other times an AG3. I wouldn’t blink an eye at a low grade 1973 Flowing Hair Cent (Wreath or Chain) or a 1916 Standing Liberty quarter, if the price was right, to ‘fill the hole’ in one of my collections. But as the old saying goes; ‘Pay your Money, Take your chances’, just be as informed as you can be. Some times it helps to talk to someone that might know a little more than you do. A forum like this is a great place to get some ideas on what is going on.
As for these people on the Shopping Channel, well back in the old days we called them ‘Snake Oil Salesmen’. Who in there right mind would pay $199.00 for a coin you can get from the US Mint for say $33.00? My mother called me up one night and asked me if this would be ‘A Good Investment”. I guess you know my answer.
eBay is a BUSINESS and it is out TO MAKE MONEY. They really don’t seem to care about cheats and liars as long as the get their cut from the sale. Remember Judas liked silver coins.
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06-28-2008, 02:08 AM
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| | Numismatist In Training
Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Welcome to CoinTalk.
Your opinions are shared by many here. It would be nice if somehow we could spread the word to people before they bid on this garbage on eBay. (But that would lower the selling price of many coins and stop the sale of many others entirely and that would hurt eBay's bottom line. Don't expect any help from eBay on this.)
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06-28-2008, 02:10 AM
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| | CONSVL
Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: T-Town Beat Down, Michigan
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wow....lol....CT keeps post from four years ago?
stainless
P.S.: welcome to the forum Rewiltshire
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06-28-2008, 03:18 PM
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| | Numismatist
Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: PA
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Longer than that, we keep posts back to 2002 when CT was founded.
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08-23-2008, 03:39 AM
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| | CTA
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 7
| My list of grading services!
Tier 1 Grading Services PCGS Grading Service PCGS, Professional Coin Grading Service P.O. Box 9458 Newport Beach, CA 92658 Tele: (800) 447-8848 (949) 833-0600 info@pcgs.com A Division of Collectors Universe NGC Grading Service NGC Numismatic Guaranty Corporation of America P.O. Box 4776 Sarasota, FL 34230 1.800.NGC.COIN toll free 941.360.3990 941.360.2553 fax http://www.ngccoin.com/services/services.asp#us Tier 2 Grading Services ANACS Grading ANACS Phone Number 1-800-888-1861 local: 512-257-5700 fax: 512-257-5799 Mailing Address P.O. Box 200300 Austin, TX 78720-0300 Customer Service CustomerService@ANACS.com Technical Support TechSupport@ANACS.com ICG Grading Service ICG Independent Coin Grading 7901 East Belleview Ave. Suite 50 Englewood, Co. 80111 877-221-4424 303-221-4424 303-221-5524 (fax) http://www.icgcoin.com/ Tier 3 Grading Services Sovereign Entities Grading Service Inc. S.E.G.S. Sovereign Entities Grading Service Inc. Mailing Address: P.O. Box 8129 - Eastgate Center Chattanooga, TN 37411 Contact Information Toll Free: 1-888-768-7261 Fax: 1-423-267-5146 Email: SEGS1@Bellsouth.net http://www.segsgrading.com/contact.html PCI Grading PCI Grading P.O. Box 486 Rossville. GA 30741 Shipping Address: 115 Howard St. Rossville, GA 30741 Phone (706) 861-0200 Toll Free (800) 277-COIN Fax (706) 861-7009 http://www.pcicoins.com/ CGC (Currency Grading & Certification) http://www.gradedcurrency.com/ Joseph Bissell Joe Bissell - CGC 7660 Fay Ave. Suite H-356. La Jolla, CA 92037 Phone:602 224-5555 e-mail: sales@gradedcurrency.com Tier 3, 4 & 5 (Self Graders) ANCIENT COIN CERTIFICATION SERVICE (ACCS) David R. Sear - POB 7314 Porter Ranch, CA 91327 USA http://www.davidrsear.com/certification.html ACGS, Inc (American Coin Grading Service) • ACGS, Inc. American Coin Grading Service (ACGS) • PO BOX 1203 • Cortaro, AZ. 85652-1203 • ACGSinc@aol.com http://acgsinc.hypermart.net/ AGS American Grading Service American Grading Service, Unknown. American Certified Coins American Certified Coins 209 Parkview Drive, PO Box 485 Milton, WI 53563 888-505-7983 608-868-2552 support@acccoins.com American Coin Club Grading Service American Coin Club Grading Service Regular Mail: 9903 Santa Monica Blvd. #951 Beverly Hills, CA 90211 info@accgs.org http://www.accgs.org/ ANI American Numismatic Institute ANI American Numismatic Institute 1029 Highway51 Suite F2 #7 Madison, MS 39110 http://www.anicoins.com/ ASA ACCUGRADE, Inc. PO Box 411449 Melbourne Florida USA 32941-1449 (321) 727-8000 (407) 327-3372 http://asa-accugrade.com Certified Coin Grading Company Certified Coin Grading Company 2380 Craggs Lane Milford, Michigan 48380 http://www.ccgscoins.com/ CCGS - Capitol Coin Grading Service Unknown Compugrade CompuGrade can be contacted toll free at 800-748-6070. (Jim Mallory/19910709/Press Contact: Bob Estremera, CompuGrade, 800- 748-6070) COPYRIGHT 1991 Washingtonpost Newsweek Interactive COPYRIGHT 2004 Gale Group http://www.wspcoin.com/home/ Bill Panach may have more information on Compugrade. DCGS Inc. DCGS Inc. 1112 Weston Rd Weston, FL 33326 Contact Numbers: Voice 800-573-2993 http://www.dcgscoins.com/grad.htm fundtrader@bellsouth.net GEC Grading www.gecgrading.com No info on web page. GGC (Gallery Grading Company). Unknown Global Certification Services, Inc http://www.globalcertified.com/ Bobpaultnt@aol.com (859) 277-0595 Hallmark Coin Grading Service Hallmark Coin Grading Service #336-1755 Robson Street Vancouver, BC V6G3B7 Canada http://www.hcgshallmark.com/ INB (International Numismatics Bureau) No Info. INC (Independent Numismatic Certification) No Info. Integrity Coin Grading Service No Info NGCC (Numismatic Grading Certified Company) http://www.worldcoingrading.com/ http://www.worldcoingrading.com/Altered%20Images/ Contact Us NGCC P.O. Box 290650 Brooklyn, NY 11229 Email: CustomerService@ngcccoins.com NGS (National Grading Service) NGS (Numismatic Grading Service) North American Numismatic Certification Service North American Numismatic Certification Service PO Box 804 Howells, NY 10932 US Fax: 845-386-6196 http://www.nancs.com/ NNC (National Numismatic Certification) NNC Coin Grading - National Numismatic Certification, LLC. P.O. Box 701943 St. Cloud, Florida 34770-1943 E-mail: custsvc@nnccoingrading.com NTC (NumisTrust Corporation) NUMITRUST 7154 N. University Dr. Suite #210 Ft. Lauderdale FL, 33321-2916 http://www.numistrust.com/ SGS (Star Grading Service) Star Grading SGS 38 Church Street Bellville, OH 44813 sgs@stargrading.org http://www.stargrading.org/ SNGA Unknown Tru-Grade Service Tru-Grade Service 32 Broadway, Bangor, PA 18013 Tru-Grade Service, PO Box 774, Bangor, PA 18013 UCGS / Entity, LLC UCGS / Entity, LLC Universal Coin Grading Service P.O. Box 15431 San Diego, CA 92175 http://ucgs.us/ UGS Universal Grading Service LLC Office Address: Universal Grading Service LLC 510 Surrey Ave. Berlin, NJ 08009 Email: service@universalgrading.com UNC/ANI? United Numismatic Company http://www.unccoins.com/ Madison, MS WCGS (World Coin Grading Service) WCG (World Coin Grading) Contact Us World Coin Grading 5715 Will Clayton # 2056 Humble, TX 77338 Email: CustomerService@worldcoingrading.com
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10-26-2008, 03:37 AM
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| | Numismatist
Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oklahoma
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First, welcome to CT. Stick around and learn with us all.
I know of 3 different types of ungraded slabs PCGS and NGC issue. First off, there are sample slabs. Both companies also issue grades like "BU". They do this for large lots at a reduced price. Thirdly, PCGS has a new service where they will authenticate a problematic (cleaned, damaged, etc.) coin.
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01-09-2009, 04:38 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Edento NC
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I think ebay should ban these people,its fraud anyway you look at it
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01-12-2009, 07:27 PM
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| | Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New York.
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I have been encouraged by SGS to promote them, so I will, SGS is a wonderful grading service, and with them, you know it's authentic.
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01-13-2009, 12:22 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nova Caesarea
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Originally Posted by counterfeit I have been encouraged by SGS to promote them, so I will, SGS is a wonderful grading service, and with them, you know it's authentic. | SGS does not guarantee authenticity, they are nothing more than one of a myriad of self-slabbers are are notorious for grossly overgraded coins.
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01-13-2009, 12:25 AM
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| | Wise young snail
Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: im in ur fridge eatin ur foodz
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Please delete.
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01-13-2009, 01:25 AM
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| | Likes Silver
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Missouri
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01-13-2009, 02:24 PM
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| | Coin Collector
Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northern California
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IMO...Let us not omit GEC from the list of "Don't buy here slabers". Years ago I bought a 2007 ASE (in 2006) in MS 70 grade that had a scrape across one of the suns rays. It was so obvious that it couldn't have been a mistake.
Remember, GEC = BAD deal.
Bruce
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Reason: too many names under Bruce
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