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LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes 11-10-2009, 08:11 PM   #1 (permalink) d.t.menace Member   Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: N.E.Ohio Posts: 215 Rim cud? Just to make sure i've got it labeled correctly, is this what's considered a rim cud? Attached Thumbnails       11-25-2009, 03:05 PM   #2 (permalink) I3utterfly Not An Expert   Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5 My Mood: nice find Could be a cud break, or a collar error. Looks as though it could be a little oval instead of being round.   11-25-2009, 04:57 PM   #3 (permalink) Treashunt The Other Frank     Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New York Posts: 17,761 possibly, but it would be a cud. A rim cud would be redundant. __________________ The Other Frank "Buy The Book Before The Coin!" Buy The Book before the Book: http://www.whitmanbooks.com/Default....tID=079482580X   11-26-2009, 12:09 PM   #4 (permalink) Conder101 Numismatist   Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,098 Quote: A rim cud would be redundant. Rim cud is not redundant. While all cuds involve the rim there are rim cuds and design cuds depending on whether or not the cud stays just on the rim or if it extends out into the coin far enough to involve part of the design. __________________ Slab collector and researcher reported as of 12/29/06 132 companies 332 production varieties   11-26-2009, 09:07 PM   #5 (permalink) d.t.menace Member   Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: N.E.Ohio Posts: 215 Thanks for your replies and your help.   11-26-2009, 09:30 PM   #6 (permalink) ldhair Coin Collector     Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,712 Can there be just a design cud with nothing showing on the rim? I'm thinking of the 1857 FE S16. __________________ Larry   11-27-2009, 08:11 AM   #7 (permalink) Treashunt The Other Frank     Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New York Posts: 17,761 Quote: Originally Posted by ldhair Can there be just a design cud with nothing showing on the rim? I'm thinking of the 1857 FE S16. Apparently I have to get a new edition, my Snow ends at 15. __________________ The Other Frank "Buy The Book Before The Coin!" Buy The Book before the Book: http://www.whitmanbooks.com/Default....tID=079482580X   11-27-2009, 09:50 AM   #8 (permalink) ldhair Coin Collector     Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,712 Link to S16. http://www.indiancent.com/745-1857-m...64-ngc-ps.html __________________ Larry   11-27-2009, 01:14 PM   #9 (permalink) Conder101 Numismatist   Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,098 Quote: Can there be just a design cud with nothing showing on the rim? I'm thinking of the 1857 FE S16. You can have die breaks that involve the design but not the rim, but since the purists insist that in order to be called a cud the break has to involve the edge of the coin, no you can't have a design cud that does not involve the rim. __________________ Slab collector and researcher reported as of 12/29/06 132 companies 332 production varieties   11-28-2009, 09:26 AM   #10 (permalink) ldhair Coin Collector     Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,712 So not everyone will agree with what Rick called it. I think I'll just call it a blob with feather details on it. What would a purists call it. Just a crack? __________________ Larry   11-28-2009, 09:29 AM   #11 (permalink) TheBigH Senior Member   Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 802 I would call it a retained die break.   11-28-2009, 11:12 AM   #12 (permalink) rockdude Coin Collector     Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: ca. Posts: 2,742 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by ldhair So not everyone will agree with what Rick called it. I think I'll just call it a blob with feather details on it. What would a purists call it. Just a crack? Some experts in the error-variety hobby insist that for the blob to be called a cud, the damaged part of the die must include part of the edge of the die. Although this is the purist definition, in the common manner of speaking you'll see the term "cud" used to describe the blob created by any die chip or serious die crack, regardless of its placement on the die or coin. __________________ “Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid.” John Wayne   11-30-2009, 09:50 AM   #13 (permalink) Tuffjump Junior Member   Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Keystone Heights Fla on my farm Posts: 57 My Mood: Collar cud According to Arnold Margolis in his book " The Error Coin Ecyclopedia" pg252 it would be a collar cud. He states" If the liner develops enough weakness so that a portion of it actually breaks away, the coins struck in that collar will have a non-round shape." He shows two examples one being identical to the coin being discussed.   11-30-2009, 10:31 AM   #14 (permalink) Conder101 Numismatist   Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,098 A collar cud or collar break would show a lump on the EDGE of the coin. The pictures in the OP do show the edge of the coin and there is no lump there so it can't be a collar cud. __________________ Slab collector and researcher reported as of 12/29/06 132 companies 332 production varieties   01-07-2010, 03:39 AM   #15 (permalink) domdino Junior Member     Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 20 My Mood: rim cuds Here's a scan of a couple contemporary coins with rim cuds. Attached Thumbnails     Bookmarks Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google Would you like to support CoinTalk? Coin Talk Code of Honor 1. Post unto others as you would have them post unto you. 2. Keep it clean, like a 1950s family television show. 3. 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