1822 Capped Half, RARE, Look at these coins... - Page 2

chip · 11-01-2009, 12:33 AM

I do not know how I could ever make a deal like that, what with the drool getting the checkbook all wet... or I could not talk with my jaw dropped down to my waist

rlm's cents · 11-01-2009, 12:34 AM

I am far far from an expert on these, but my first impression is that the bottom coin is both real and cleaned - probably dipped. It also is not as nice as the top one. Therefore I would call it a 64.

stella · 11-01-2009, 12:23 AM

old collection of halfes, i didnt know i had one that nice. the highest is in 67 and its $50,000. If mine were 67 or the almighty 68, i would be the luckiest man in the world...

the crazy part of this is i know its real, but i dont know if it has been cleaned or artificially toned

stella · 11-01-2009, 12:24 AM

i bought this collection of halfes from a private seller in AZ...

tmoneyeagles · 11-01-2009, 10:11 PM

Shouldn't you ask for grading opinions on coins, before you send them in? Just to be safer, I mean, you ask us for our opinions, after you send the coins in, but there could be something you missed on the coin, or you might not know how to grade the coin, other than you think it looks nice, and who knows, maybe your coins come back BB for altered services, or even being fake. Just to save yourself some money, unless you really know your series well, I would ask us for our opinions, before the coin is actually sent in for grading.

Now onto the coins, I really do like the first one, I'm not familiar with this series, so I wouldn't want to give a definite answer on the grade, but my guess would be in the 65-66 range.

Now for the second coin, it does strike me as odd, but I doubt it is a fake. If it doesn't come back BB I would say maybe a 63.

One more thing, you said that you weighed the coins right? Then you stated that they were real. Weighing the coins is just one step to determining them being authentic, you have to know your series, not just weigh them and say "OH THEY ARE REAL!"

Mark Feld · 11-02-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tmoneyeagles

Shouldn't you ask for grading opinions on coins, before you send them in? Just to be safer, I mean, you ask us for our opinions, after you send the coins in, but there could be something you missed on the coin, or you might not know how to grade the coin, other than you think it looks nice, and who knows, maybe your coins come back BB for altered services, or even being fake. Just to save yourself some money, unless you really know your series well, I would ask us for our opinions, before the coin is actually sent in for grading.

Now onto the coins, I really do like the first one, I'm not familiar with this series, so I wouldn't want to give a definite answer on the grade, but my guess would be in the 65-66 range.

Now for the second coin, it does strike me as odd, but I doubt it is a fake. If it doesn't come back BB I would say maybe a 63.

One more thing, you said that you weighed the coins right? Then you stated that they were real. Weighing the coins is just one step to determining them being authentic, you have to know your series, not just weigh them and say "OH THEY ARE REAL!"

Since he already owns the coins, I see no reason for him to ask for grading opinions based on images, before he submits them. He is probably as likely to get bad/inaccurate feedback as he is good/accurate feedback.

stella · 11-01-2009, 12:34 AM

Like i said we will see in a little while, but i agree... I dont see why someone whould clean or "polish" this, it would make the details wear off more. And there are no hairlines anywhere...

im just praying, there is not a 68 in existence, so how much would that be worth?

chip · 11-01-2009, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by stella

Like i said we will see in a little while, but i agree... I dont see why someone whould clean or "polish" this, it would make the details wear off more. And there are no hairlines anywhere...

im just praying, there is not a 68 in existence, so how much would that be worth?

You could get enough dollars for that if it was a 68 to burn a wet mule!

chip · 11-01-2009, 12:47 AM

My making the grade book has the caveat, (for a 65) luster and strike are attractive and of high quality FOR THE DATE.

A few small and scattered contact marks, one or two small patche of hairline scratches visible under magnification, light scuff marks may be detectable on design high points,

How high of magnification did you look at it with? If there are none, and a 65 has one or two small patches....

stella · 11-01-2009, 12:55 AM

I hope NGC gives it MS65, 64, or 63.... I would love to have any grade above MS on this year...

but we all know what im praying for ....... 66-68........

bigjpst · 11-01-2009, 12:18 PM

First let me say very nice coins....I am asking this question as a novice trying to learn more about grading, I think I see wear marks or rub marks on the eagles claws and on the tips of it head and wings...also some on the cap and hair on liberty on the obverse(although it looks like those could be the lighting) wouldn't that lower the grade to high AU? or are these minor rubs acceptable on a coin of this type? thanks

LostDutchman · 11-01-2009, 12:30 PM

I suspect the bottom coin has been lightly cleaned...(from the pics at least) I have handled quite a few gem plus capped bust halves... I just don't like the surfaces. The top one is nice

mark_h · 11-02-2009, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjpst

First let me say very nice coins....I am asking this question as a novice trying to learn more about grading, I think I see wear marks or rub marks on the eagles claws and on the tips of it head and wings...also some on the cap and hair on liberty on the obverse(although it looks like those could be the lighting) wouldn't that lower the grade to high AU? or are these minor rubs acceptable on a coin of this type? thanks

I agree and have refrained from posting. I think the top coin probably has cabinet or friction rub on the high points. Which tpgs will let slide. The second coin is dipped or something, but I have seen some slabbed that look like that. While both coins are very nice I would expect the first coin to go 63 and maybe 64. The second coin should be net graded. Just my humble opinion on two nice coins.