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Page 1 of 2 1 2 >   LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes 10-28-2009, 03:09 PM   #1 (permalink) jessash1976 "RPM"-Re-Punched Mind     Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Owosso, MI Posts: 872 My Mood: Possible DDR ? This penny looks like it has doubling all through the outer devices on the reverse. "IN GOD WE TRUST", a little on "ONE CENT", and the initials. What do you guys think? I tried to post the clearest pics I could, but the U an I in "UNITED" have clear separation on the tops of the letters. JMO Attached Thumbnails             10-28-2009, 03:17 PM   #2 (permalink) jcuve Lincoln variety fanatic     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York Posts: 437 My initial reaction is mild MD. I am certain it is not a doubled die. It appears to be a post-'92 Lincoln - what year is it exactly? __________________ JASON C. CONECA & ANA - www.cuvelier.org (all images I use are ©Jason Cuvelier 2008-09) Last edited by jcuve; 10-28-2009 at 03:36 PM.   10-28-2009, 03:39 PM   #3 (permalink) jessash1976 "RPM"-Re-Punched Mind     Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Owosso, MI Posts: 872 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by jcuve My initial reaction is mild MD. I am certain it is not a doubled die. It appears to be a post-'92 Lincoln - what year is it exactly? It is a 1999 Philly. I think with the separation on the I and U, it might be a DDR. I will see what others think.   10-29-2009, 01:58 AM   #4 (permalink) jcuve Lincoln variety fanatic     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York Posts: 437 Quote: Originally Posted by jessash1976 It is a 1999 Philly. I think with the separation on the I and U, it might be a DDR. I will see what others think. I’m sorry, but what I see in these pictures is inconsistent with die doubling. Anyone have found the appearance of doubling on a coin must ask themselves if what appears to be separation lines fall onto the device itself or outside of it - or in other words, is the design elements the typical size with an additional area adjoined to it making it bigger, or do the separation lines cut into the design. The last picture posted is critical to this question - with what appears as separation lines on the E and S of STATES – the lines cut into the E & S, sharply. If I deleted the doubled areas the resulting E & S would be both smaller than normal and oddly shaped. That tells me this is machine doubling. The fact that the separation lines are sharp as opposed to rounded, tells me this machine doubling. What happened is the die came back down and slightly squashed the outside design elements (i.e., machine doubling). The final clue is this kind of doubling on the outside devices on single squeeze hubbings is rare; however, when it has occurred there was notching, extra thickness and (rounded) separation lines. Three examples would be 2004P DDR-001, 2006P DDO-003 and 1995D DDO-003. Examine photos of those coins and find the differences. __________________ JASON C. CONECA & ANA - www.cuvelier.org (all images I use are ©Jason Cuvelier 2008-09)   10-29-2009, 02:19 AM   #5 (permalink) Digenes Just a collector   Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Central, PA Posts: 312 I am not sure if this will help you at all, but here are a couple of photos of a coppercoins 1983P-1DR-001, Wexleer WDDR-001 I found few months back. You might be able to use these photos to compare to what you found Hope these images help you see what jcuve is trying to tell you. Dave   10-28-2009, 03:33 PM   #6 (permalink) Big Ben Big Ben coins   Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 13 My Mood: I would say MD too not a doubled die Big Ben   10-29-2009, 08:47 AM   #7 (permalink) Treashunt The Other Frank     Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New York Posts: 16,668 I was not sure until I saw the CA picture (#4) MD. __________________ The Other Frank "Buy The Book Before The Coin!" http://www.whitmanbooks.com/Default....wUpcoming_1208   10-29-2009, 11:33 AM   #8 (permalink) jello Numismatist     Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,846 My Mood: I agree MD But could it be what there calling a class 6??? __________________ no one right 100% of the time ***The only dumb question is the one not asked***   10-29-2009, 11:49 AM   #9 (permalink) rockdude Coin Collector     Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: ca. Posts: 2,149 My Mood: Not a class 6, MD. __________________ An artist is somebody who produces things that people don't need to have. Andy Warhol   10-29-2009, 12:17 PM   #10 (permalink) jello Numismatist     Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,846 My Mood: Then show me a class 6??? __________________ no one right 100% of the time ***The only dumb question is the one not asked***   10-29-2009, 12:36 PM   #11 (permalink) jcuve Lincoln variety fanatic     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York Posts: 437 I am perplexed how the discussion has changed to class VI doubling - class VI is characterized by extra thickness, not separation lines. There is no class VI doubling shown in the above pictures - it is MD. Below is 2009 FY DDO-003 which is listed as class VI by Dr. Wiles of CONECA and conversely as a class IX on Coppercoins.com. Sorry the photos are not better but it is all I have at the moment. __________________ JASON C. CONECA & ANA - www.cuvelier.org (all images I use are ©Jason Cuvelier 2008-09)   10-30-2009, 09:57 AM   #12 (permalink) jello Numismatist     Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,846 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by jcuve I am perplexed how the discussion has changed to class VI doubling - class VI is characterized by extra thickness, not separation lines. There is no class VI doubling shown in the above pictures - it is MD. Below is 2009 FY DDO-003 which is listed as class VI by Dr. Wiles of CONECA and conversely as a class IX on Coppercoins.com. Sorry the photos are not better but it is all I have at the moment. Thank Jason! but your 2nd photo to me looks like MD. is your 1st photo class 6?? or 2nd?? __________________ no one right 100% of the time ***The only dumb question is the one not asked***   10-30-2009, 01:23 PM   #13 (permalink) jcuve Lincoln variety fanatic     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York Posts: 437 Quote: Originally Posted by jello Thank Jason! but your 2nd photo to me looks like MD. is your 1st photo class 6?? or 2nd?? They are both the 2009 FY DDO-003 (3-O-VI) Discovery Coin. I need to re-shoot so it is clearer but I have other things to do first... Here are James Wiles pics, better than mine: LINK __________________ JASON C. CONECA & ANA - www.cuvelier.org (all images I use are ©Jason Cuvelier 2008-09) Last edited by jcuve; 10-30-2009 at 01:31 PM.   10-31-2009, 12:57 AM   #14 (permalink) foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,861 No Class VI...that does not even enter into what the coin looks like.......No doubled die....just machine doubling. Thanks, Bill   10-31-2009, 06:17 PM   #15 (permalink) jessash1976 "RPM"-Re-Punched Mind     Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Owosso, MI Posts: 872 My Mood: thanks, i guess   Page 1 of 2 1 2 > Bookmarks Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google Would you like to support CoinTalk? Coin Talk Code of Honor 1. Post unto others as you would have them post unto you. 2. Keep it clean, like a 1950s family television show. 3. 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