Barber Quarter 1913-S (RARE KEYDATE) with Die Clash ?

kineticlpg · 09-06-2009, 01:40 AM

Hello i inhired my Grandfather coins collection and i found some scarce coins,
in special i have find this BARBER QUARTER 1913-S (Rare KeyDate).

Now Seems to have a Die Clash.

A Friend told me about this Die Clash the following:
Looks to me like a die clash, so it would be the reverse of the coin, but upside down. So the extra leaves in the obverse cap are probably the leaves held by the eagle in the lower reverse. Also the star @ 4 oclock on the obverse looks to be one of the stars on the upper reverse of the coin. This happens when the dies strike each other w/ no coin blank between them and part of the reverse design transfers to the obverse die and vice versa. Happens on genuine coins to, but never seen a clash this dramatic on a genuine example.

Please let me know your taughts.
Thank you !

foundinrolls · 09-06-2009, 02:09 AM

There is more to it than a simple die clash. It might be a counter clash, or it may be a flip over double strike. Those possibilities are conjecture as the pictures are not sufficient enough to make a complete evaluation.

One thing it is not though is a simple die clash.

Thanks,
Bill

kineticlpg · 09-07-2009, 12:13 AM

Thanks for the response, i will look more information, due this coin is very valuable is a KeyDate.

Question: Which will be your grade for this coin ? Also if is a error have more value or minor value ?.

bhp3rd · 09-09-2009, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kineticlpg

Thanks for the response, i will look more information, due this coin is very valuable is a KeyDate.

Question: Which will be your grade for this coin ? Also if is a error have more value or minor value ?.

No added value regarding the error or variety.
Please learn this and learn it good - has the numismatic value of a coin rises any error or variety on that same coin contributes to it's value less and less - in fact on truly rare coins most people would rather the "key date" coin have no error or variety associated with it - there are exceptions to this rule but if you think about long and hard you will understand the merit of what I just stated.

LostDutchman · 09-09-2009, 10:36 AM

I would think if that were a flip over double strike, which it very well could be that would ad a significant premium to this piece being such a key date. Am I wrong?

Treashunt · 09-09-2009, 11:44 AM

Matt:
No, you are not wrong, but you are on this coin.
Very questionable piece.

Conder101 · 09-09-2009, 11:47 AM

It really looks like a flip over double strike. Notice the sharp clear raised and not reversed olive branch from the reverse on the back of Liberty's head. A clash would be very unlikely to be in that area since it is a deeply recessed area of the die. And even if you could slam the dies together hard enough to create a clashmark there it couldn't be anywhere near that strong without impressing the entire reverse design into the obv die.

And Dutchman, I would say you are wrong. A coin like this is often a white elephant. A collector of Barber quarters wants his key date coins to be as perfect as possible. They would view this coin as defective and either not want it or only want it at a discount. A collector of errors would love to have a major flip over double struck Barber quarter in this grade, but they aren't interested in the fact that it is a key date and would rather have it on a common date to avoid the premium people would want for the date/mint. After all it's the error they are after, not the key date. So Barber collectors don't want it and error collectors don't want to pay the premium. The only way to get a premium price for it is to find someone who is putting together a date and mint set of error Barber quarters! And he knows that there is no competition against him for the piece. You either sell it to him or you're stuck with it. Puts him at a distinct negotiating advantage.

jello · 09-10-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Conder101

It really looks like a flip over double strike. Notice the sharp clear raised and not reversed olive branch from the reverse on the back of Liberty's head. A clash would be very unlikely to be in that area since it is a deeply recessed area of the die. And even if you could slam the dies together hard enough to create a clashmark there it couldn't be anywhere near that strong without impressing the entire reverse design into the obv die.

And Dutchman, I would say you are wrong. A coin like this is often a white elephant. A collector of Barber quarters wants his key date coins to be as perfect as possible. They would view this coin as defective and either not want it or only want it at a discount. A collector of errors would love to have a major flip over double struck Barber quarter in this grade, but they aren't interested in the fact that it is a key date and would rather have it on a common date to avoid the premium people would want for the date/mint. After all it's the error they are after, not the key date. So Barber collectors don't want it and error collectors don't want to pay the premium. The only way to get a premium price for it is to find someone who is putting together a date and mint set of error Barber quarters! And he knows that there is no competition against him for the piece. You either sell it to him or you're stuck with it. Puts him at a distinct negotiating advantage.

Well said!!!!

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