Guess the grade and Overton on my Cherrypick - Page 3

Mark Feld · 07-02-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by coinman0456

No problem there. You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder, because people don't do things the way you expect them to. Perhaps you should temper the way you approach a differing opinion. This is not the first time you have been rude and crude with someone who has a differing opinion. Tone it down!

"Rude and crude", because I didn't care to look something up and post it at your request. And/or because I realized that you were set in your differing opinion (which I said you were free to have) and didn't want to put forth any more effort to change your mind. If that's rude and crude, I confess to being guilty.

And by the way, I don't have any expectations regarding the way people will do things. But I do have hopes that they will back up opinions with some substance. Sometimes that is an unrealistic hope, however, and that's their right.

coinman0456 · 07-02-2009, 08:02 PM

Thats not the case Physics, but neither will I submit to his ridicule because of a differing opinion or because some don't do things the way MARK does. I was congenial and friendly, and did not in any way, create an atmosphere of rudeness. I stated what I believe, to his disagreement. Which he is entitled to as well. it's the tone of a condescending attitude. I am always friendly, congenial and respectful of others opinions.
We can disagree to disagree without tagging someone out for not doing things the way that works for him. I'm not perfect, but I am friendly and respectful. His tone is of disagreeing definitely needs some work.

coinman0456 · 07-02-2009, 08:05 PM

yes mark it is their right, Thanks for admitting that. However your reply didn't leave any question that was unacceptable to you. Ok this is now over . Lets call this quits. Enough said.

mark_h · 07-02-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by physics-fan3.14

Just got this coin raw for a steal of a deal. I'm quite sure its been dipped, but the surfaces look alright - no hairlines or anything major. It's going to go in an envelope and hopefully get some color and skin back.

So guess the grade and Overton (and price I paid, too, but no cheating!)

First to the original question. I think XF40 less wear than the other which I had at VF35. Both are nice coins and will grade at XF at a tpg. At least in my opinion.

As for the overton number it is O-112. I had it right and then went to verify on coinzip and guess what I saw? Just so you know I use coinzip as a reference so if you post it there I will see it. After I have the overton number I almost always goto coinzip and start comparing coins.

I even do that with my busties. I don't post a lot over there, but I check it on occasion.

coinman0456 · 07-02-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Feld

"Rude and crude", because I didn't care to look something up and post it at your request. And/or because I realized that you were set in your differing opinion (which I said you were free to have) and didn't want to put forth any more effort to change your mind. If that's rude and crude, I confess to being guilty.

And by the way, I don't have any expectations regarding the way people will do things. But I do have hopes that they will back up opinions with some substance. Sometimes that is an unrealistic hope, however, and that's their right.

no mark not because of you willingness to do that, it's the way you composed your your reply of that request. Seriously, re-read it. would it not have been better to simply initially posted the link, with that illustrated example? or politely suggest I might want to look at the archives on the heritage site for comparisons instead of presenting a condescending attitude for those that didn't do what you did. Seriously mark, I'm not attacking you for your opinion. I do acknowledge that.

physics-fan3.14 · 07-02-2009, 08:22 PM

Ding ding ding, you are correct mark_h. I thought this was a mighty nice snag, being an R4+ and all

Yeah, I use coinzip quite a bit also. Next time I will wait a bit for everyone to guess before posting there, since it is a good reference.

coinman0456 · 07-02-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Feld

Even if I didn't know my stuff, the point is, that I have gone to the effort to back up my opinion, by providing an illustrated example. In order for all of us to have the opportunity to learn, I ask the same of those who disagree and who merely remark, without stating the basis for their opinions.

if this isn't a condescending tone, what is? and mark says he doesen't expect others to do as he does? hmmmmm

fooled me. Let me ask you this, what is the sense of asking for member opinions if all they are going to do is refer to and agree with illustrated examples ? hell , get the coloring book and make certain you stay within the lines.

mark_h · 07-02-2009, 08:26 PM

The worst part is I thought I checked coinzip earlier this week and saw this coin, but it must have been one of your others.

physics-fan3.14 · 07-02-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mark_h

The worst part is I thought I checked coinzip earlier this week and saw this coin, but it must have been one of your others.

Hm, MBA101 (does he post here?) said he recognized the coin also.

Mark Feld · 07-02-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by coinman0456

if this isn't a condescending tone, what is? and mark says he doesen't expect others to do as he does? hmmmmm

fooled me. Let me ask you this, what is the sense of asking for member opinions if all they are going to do is refer to and agree with illustrated examples ?

To me, asking something is very different from expecting it.

As far as I'm concerned, it's fine to merely agree or disagree with posted examples. People can learn more from one another by discussing, comparing and contrasting those (and providing other) examples, however.

I attempt to be informative and polite in my posting. And that is regardless of the subject or any disagreements, which in some cases, are inevitable. I am sorry if you feel I was rude.

mark_h · 07-02-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by coinman0456

if this isn't a condescending tone, what is? and mark says he doesen't expect others to do as he does? hmmmmm

fooled me. Let me ask you this, what is the sense of asking for member opinions if all they are going to do is refer to and agree with illustrated examples ?

I believe Mark was just showing why he thought his grade was correct. And it is fine if you disagree, but a discussion and/or illustrations on why you disagree is what I think he was looking for. Usually when an opinion is way off from the consensus(I don't know about others) I would like a reasonable explaination of why - simply because it might point something out that me or others missed.

the_man12 · 07-02-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by coinman0456

if this isn't a condescending tone, what is? and mark says he doesen't expect others to do as he does? hmmmmm

fooled me. Let me ask you this, what is the sense of asking for member opinions if all they are going to do is refer to and agree with illustrated examples ?

I think just is confident about his opinion (which IMO is absolutely correct) and he wanted to see why some disagreed with him. If you want to be offended, that's up to you, but I honestly don't think he meant anything bad.

EDIT: Mark h beat me to it

coinman0456 · 07-02-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mark_h

I believe Mark was just showing why he thought his grade was correct. And it is fine if you disagree, but a discussion and/or illustrations on why you disagree is what I think he was looking for. Usually when an opinion is way off from the consensus(I don't know about others) I would like a reasonable explaination of why - simply because it might point something out that me or others missed.

and you are justified to request that. re-reading the replies, I don't see once where mark asked for my observation and assessment to warrant the grade I op'd. It's all in the tone and simply asking, rather than ridicule anyone for just stating an opinion. I suggested the coin grades a high fine, and will concede to perhaps a borderline VF . He opinion-ed the coin was a no question VF or better. I'll still agree to disagree. I would not pay VF money for this coin. It's simply my opinion. Take any "raw" coin you purchased or sometimes even a TPG slabbed coin (sometimes) to a dealer and chances are they will have a differing opinion. Of course that hurts when such situations occur, especially when it's to your disadvantage when you paid say $130.00 and the dealer is only willing to give you a lower grade price.