coinman0456

correct. both pieces are definite keepers, and Kevin should not be overly disappointed with the first example. Extremely difficult if not impossible to locate a MS 86-O "Raw" that would standup to a TPG authenticating it as such.

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raider34

As for the SECOND morgan , I think we would need better pics to accurately guess the grade, for the OP how is the luster in hand?

coinman0456

yes mark, it was a bit confusing.

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kevinslack

here is pictures of the secound coin,

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Mark Feld

Based on the additional images of the second coin, my guess would be AU55-58 with questionable color.

kevinslack

ok very body here said the toned coin is not a ms coin, so what im going to do is clean it with acouple of driffent cleaning things without wipeing the coin off with a cloth or anything. just to see if it makes it look better or not, its money down the drain anyway i payed to much for the toned coin. heres before and after on the toned coin

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coinman0456

oh kevin, even if you paid a bit much for it, I would not mess with it. But of course if you feel there is a learning experience in "cleaning" the coin, thats surely is up to your discretion. Personally, I would leave it original and take from that experience as your learning curve. If it was sold to you misrepresented as a better grade than what it is, do you not have the right to return it for refund ? did the seller misrepresent the coin as a MS65? and offered to let you have it at a discount ?
Contact the seller and inform them of your dissatisfaction with the coin and appeal to their integrity to make things right for you. That assertiveness and response from the seller may be the best lessons all would learn from this experience.

Good luck. Regards. Tom

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Upvalley

Probably too late now - he cleaned in the coin...

coinman0456

yes he did.

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Upvalley

I liked the toning on the reverse.

Ripley

VF45... to much battle damage and a bit of circulation. Traci