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Old 06-27-2009, 12:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Here's the culprit, you can order some for yourself too!

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Old 06-27-2009, 10:16 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Here's the culprit, you can order some for yourself too!

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Thanks - now we know where they came from...

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I thought I was the only one who had one of these.
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Thats odd, just last week a guy at the bank was showing one of those off. Maybe some organization is trying to save a massive hoard of zinc crosses?
Have to wonder what bank employees do with them when they come across one? The minister has punched at least a million - that is a lot of zinc crosses!
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Old 06-27-2009, 12:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The minister has punched at least a million - that is a lot of zinc crosses!
They sent a huge cross made of the punched out remnants, set on a base in the shape of the state of Texas to George W Bush (43), it's pictured on their site.

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Old 07-05-2009, 03:07 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 06-27-2009, 12:48 AM   #6 (permalink)
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" The penny is the least of our coins in America and to many people, it is almost worthless. Though some find it hard to believe that something with such a small monetary value can mean so much just by stamping a cross into it,"

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" The penny is the least of our coins in America and to many people, it is almost worthless. Though some find it hard to believe that something with such a small monetary value can mean so much just by stamping a cross into it,"

LOL!
Why is that funny, I'm sure it does mean something to some people.
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Old 06-27-2009, 03:17 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I got one of them also thing is mine is an older copper cent 1980. I wonder who has this stamp machins? Ice
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Old 06-27-2009, 12:06 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Why is that funny, I'm sure it does mean something to some people.

I thought this was a funny bit of copy, as it only acknowledges two sets of people, those who don't think much of pennies and those who inject specific ideological meaning into the altered coin. "and to many people, it is almost worthless." What about the masses of coin collectors and the people that create currency, none of them think its worthless. In fact it's such incorrect reasoning that without cents in circulation the economy wouldn't function. Coins exist for a specific operational reason.

It doesn't matter what people think this means, to each their own. I'm definitely not poking fun of these folks. It's obviously a cheap vehicle for carrying this message, thus they exploit it for ideological purposes.

Perhaps these folks have US Treasury permission to alter the coins they punch out. They did after all send a huge cross made of the punched out remnants, set on a base in the shape of the state of Texas to George W Bush (43), it's pictured on their site. In general altering US coins and currency to the extent that they must be removed from circulation remains a federal offense. Per
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"[SIZE=2]and to many people, it is almost worthless."
To many people it is almost worthless. There have been tons of threads here advocating getting rid of the cent because of it's lack of value. Many coin collectors seem to think that's a good idea.
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To many people it is almost worthless. There have been tons of threads here advocating getting rid of the cent because of it's lack of value. Many coin collectors seem to think that's a good idea.

It would make cash purchases easier for shop owners, cashiers, and customers and these are probably the 'many people' advocates for
demonetizing the cent. Yet there's still a debate amongst economists and there is still practical use for the cent despite the 'burden' that some people make of them. The New Yorker had a column about a year ago revisiting the debate, it's online here for those interested: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...urrentPage=all
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WOW - That would get my attention quick if I found that in a roll!
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Good point. I could've sworn there was a federal law against defacing coins and currency. I could be wrong.
No, you can deface or destroy the coinage all you want as long as you don't do it with fraudulent intent. Currency is another matter though. Altering it or defacing it so that it is unfit to be reissued IS a crime whether there is any fraudulent intent or not.

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In general altering US coins and currency to the extent that they must be removed from circulation remains a federal offense. Per http://www.usmint.gov/consumer/18USC331.cfm?flash=no
The Mint had better re-read the law. It does not say what they are claiming it says. The law is specific, fraudulent intent must be present, not just an "in general" attitude, it does not say anything about simply making it so it has to be removed from circulation, and the law they quote only refers to coins not currency. Mutilation of currency is covered under a different section.
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No, you can deface or destroy the coinage all you want as long as you don't do it with fraudulent intent. Currency is another matter though. Altering it or defacing it so that it is unfit to be reissued IS a crime whether there is any fraudulent intent or not.


The Mint had better re-read the law. It does not say what they are claiming it says. The law is specific, fraudulent intent must be present, not just an "in general" attitude, it does not say anything about simply making it so it has to be removed from circulation, and the law they quote only refers to coins not currency. Mutilation of currency is covered under a different section.
Interesting post If I was a government official I would say this cent is not fit for reissue. I have no issue with the symbol but I do not feel it is appropriate to remove a large portion of a coin and then allow the coin to go back into circulation. It sets a bad president - how soon before others are punching holes in coins to deliver a message? Also makes me wonder how the mint could get the law mis-quoted??? I would think something like this would have had to go through a legal review prior to publishing on the site...
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