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Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 >   LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes 06-22-2009, 05:33 PM   #1 (permalink) LostDutchman exsisto magister     Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,171 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 1883 Proof Morgan Silver Dollar Hey gang!! I recently bought this coin out of an old collection raw (yikes I know right?). I was just packing it up to go to NGC and wanted to take a picture of it before I sent it off. This is what I came up with. __________________ Matt Dinger Lost Dutchman Rare Coins   06-22-2009, 05:46 PM   #2 (permalink) tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer     Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,391 My Mood: From those pics this is at least a PF68.... GOSH, REALLY I DON'T SEE ANY FLAWS! You think you have a PF70??? WOW! Can't wait to see, what it comes back at! __________________ From The Desk Of, -T$ (Kokapowan Tribe Leader) http://www.tmoneyeagles.webs.com/   06-22-2009, 05:54 PM   #3 (permalink) LostDutchman exsisto magister     Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,171 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 I don't know about that! hahah!! It'd be nice, it definitely is a nice coin but I was thinking more like a 65-66. __________________ Matt Dinger Lost Dutchman Rare Coins   06-23-2009, 12:32 PM   #4 (permalink) huntsman53 Supporter**   Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jefferson City, Tennessee Posts: 3,008 Quote: Originally Posted by LostDutchman I don't know about that! hahah!! It'd be nice, it definitely is a nice coin but I was thinking more like a 65-66. Dutchman, I was thinking about the same! IMHO, it will go at least PF-65 but not higher due to some slight compression or light rub on some of the high spots on Miss Liberty...especially the high spots on her' hairline. There also appears to be the same on the high spots on the Eagle. I'm also concerned what the Graders may say about the texture of Miss Liberty's face. All in all, a very nice Proof Morgan that any Collector would be honored to own! Frank   06-22-2009, 06:48 PM   #5 (permalink) Mark Feld Rare coin dealer     Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,686 Quote: Originally Posted by tmoneyeagles From those pics this is at least a PF68.... GOSH, REALLY I DON'T SEE ANY FLAWS! You think you have a PF70??? WOW! Can't wait to see, what it comes back at! The degree of hairlines is usually the major determinant of the grade for Proof coins. And hairlines usually don't show up well, if at all in images. I would bet, just based on the odds and populations, that 1) the coin has obvious flaws (in the form of hairlines) and 2) grades nowhere near a 70. And that's even if it's a nice/quality example.   06-22-2009, 06:51 PM   #6 (permalink) tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer     Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,391 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by Mark Feld The degree of hairlines is usually the major determinant of the grade for Proof coins. And hairlines usually don't show up well, if at all in images. I would bet, just based on the odds and populations, that 1) the coin has obvious flaws (in the form of hairlines) and 2) grades nowhere near a 70. And that's even if it's a nice/quality example. Would be nice to see this coin in hand. I'm not saying it would grade 70, and oh boy, that would really be something! But, I am very interested as to what this may come back as __________________ From The Desk Of, -T$ (Kokapowan Tribe Leader) http://www.tmoneyeagles.webs.com/   06-22-2009, 06:57 PM   #7 (permalink) vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings     Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 5,386 My Mood: WOW!, that is one fine looking coin. __________________ _____________________________________________ corn cam ( Great Iowa passtime) "Life is to short for bad wine" Viper   06-22-2009, 06:59 PM   #8 (permalink) CamaroDMD Dental Student     Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,397 My Mood: Wow, beautiful Morgan. I don't have a lot of experience grading these proofs but it sure is clean looking...I can see a mid-60s grade. I'd love to hear what it comes back as. __________________ The Truth About "O" Mint Morgan Dollars   06-22-2009, 06:28 PM   #9 (permalink) CrustyCoins Twilight Photographer     Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Sunnyvale, CA Posts: 1,399 The devices don't look like they are frosty at all, are they pretty much the same color as the fields or is it just the photo? Very interesting and I'm curious how it will grade.   06-26-2009, 01:44 PM   #10 (permalink) Treashunt The Other Frank     Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New York Posts: 16,669 Quote: Originally Posted by CrustyCoins The devices don't look like they are frosty at all, are they pretty much the same color as the fields or is it just the photo? Very interesting and I'm curious how it will grade. Crusty These old proof coins are not like modern proofs where every coin is a nice frosty cameo. The cameo effect was produced only for the first couple of coins from each die. Then it wore off and the cameo gradually became less pronounced, until there was no cameo effect left. __________________ The Other Frank "Buy The Book Before The Coin!" http://www.whitmanbooks.com/Default....wUpcoming_1208   06-26-2009, 01:49 PM   #11 (permalink) Mark Feld Rare coin dealer     Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,686 Quote: Originally Posted by Treashunt Crusty These old proof coins are not like modern proofs where every coin is a nice frosty cameo. The cameo effect was produced only for the first couple of coins from each die. Then it wore off and the cameo gradually became less pronounced, until there was no cameo effect left. "First couple of coins" sounds like a huge understatement to me. The large numbers of cameos extant indicate that it was a lot more than "first couple of coins".   06-26-2009, 02:13 PM   #12 (permalink) Treashunt The Other Frank     Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New York Posts: 16,669 Quote: Originally Posted by Mark Feld "First couple of coins" sounds like a huge understatement to me. The large numbers of cameos extant indicate that it was a lot more than "first couple of coins". okay, more than 'the first couple of coins'. __________________ The Other Frank "Buy The Book Before The Coin!" http://www.whitmanbooks.com/Default....wUpcoming_1208   06-26-2009, 02:36 PM   #13 (permalink) CamaroDMD Dental Student     Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,397 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by Mark Feld "First couple of coins" sounds like a huge understatement to me. The large numbers of cameos extant indicate that it was a lot more than "first couple of coins". Well, it's more than the first couple coins...but when the annual mintage production is 1000 or less (usually), there really aren't many of either. __________________ The Truth About "O" Mint Morgan Dollars   06-26-2009, 02:47 PM   #14 (permalink) Mark Feld Rare coin dealer     Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,686 Quote: Originally Posted by Treashunt Crusty These old proof coins are not like modern proofs where every coin is a nice frosty cameo. The cameo effect was produced only for the first couple of coins from each die. Then it wore off and the cameo gradually became less pronounced, until there was no cameo effect left. Quote: Originally Posted by CamaroDMD Well, it's more than the first couple coins...but when the annual mintage production is 1000 or less (usually), there really aren't many of either. There are 1356 cameos and an additional 176 ultra cameos (compared to 5441 non-cameos) for the Proof Morgan Dollar series listed on the NGC Census report. And there are 914 cameos and 139 deep cameos (compared to 6422 non-cameos) on the PCGS population report. And there are, no doubt, more cameos still in non-cameo holders, which were graded before the grading companies started using that designation. Cameos aren't really all that rare on a relative basis.   06-22-2009, 07:05 PM   #15 (permalink) rzage What Goes Around Comes A     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,449 My Mood: Wow , that's three wows in a row , I'd say a 65 but hard to tell from a picture , are there many hairlines that don't show up , if there isn't you just might get that 66 , and a 65-66 Proof Morgan is a fine coin anyone would love to have . rzage __________________ Instant Karmas gonna Get you:John Lennon ANA member #R3146234   Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 > Bookmarks Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google Would you like to support CoinTalk? Coin Talk Code of Honor 1. Post unto others as you would have them post unto you. 2. 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