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Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >   LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes 06-14-2009, 09:34 PM   #1 (permalink) johnny54321 aspiring numismatist     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: North Edwards, CA Posts: 1,123 My Mood: 1909 Indian Cent. Grade? I've had this in my type set for a while. What does she grade? Attached Thumbnails       06-14-2009, 09:59 PM   #2 (permalink) The Penny Lady Coin Dealer     Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Southern California Posts: 836 My Mood: Very pretty coin, nice strike. Looks like a nick in the field next to LIBERTY and some marks in the field across from the neck so MS63 Red or RB - can't quite tell the color from the photos but the obverse looks darker. __________________ The Penny Lady http://ThePennyLady.com Member of ANA, PCGS, NGC, CAC, Fly-In Club, EAC, and WIN (Women In Numismatics)   06-14-2009, 10:07 PM   #3 (permalink) tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer     Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,379 My Mood: It looks like a nice 63 or 64 RD to me Very tiny flaws, a tiny scratch below the N in CENT, the nick that thepennylady was talking about, and also some more nicks below the jaw and in between STATES and OF A nice coin that is for sure! __________________ From The Desk Of, -T$ (Kokapowan Tribe Leader) http://www.tmoneyeagles.webs.com/   06-14-2009, 10:07 PM   #4 (permalink) rzage What Goes Around Comes A     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,448 My Mood: I was going to say MS-63-64 RB , but I'll defer to Charmys' wisdom . rzage __________________ Instant Karmas gonna Get you:John Lennon ANA member #R3146234   06-14-2009, 10:22 PM   #5 (permalink) rlm's cents Numismatist     Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 5,543 My Mood: It also has a nick by the "B" in LIBERTY. Without that, I would think 64, but... Like Charmy, I cannot tell if it is red or RB, but I would guess RB. __________________ The monkeys stand for honesty, Giraffes are insincere, And the elephants are kindly but They're dumb. Orangutans are skeptical Of changes in their cages, And the zoo keeper is very fond of rum.   06-14-2009, 10:27 PM   #6 (permalink) mark_h Numismatist     Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,194 Yep - I have to go with the group 63 and probably RB. Very nice coin. __________________ the other mark Best Baan Community Empty airtite seeks unwanted coins. All sizes welcome.   06-14-2009, 10:32 PM   #7 (permalink) kanga 50 Years and Still At It     Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,593 My Mood: I agree with the color problem, Red or RB. That's an in-hand sort of question. But I'll go with RB since the "redness" is quite similar to my RB. I was going to go 64 or 65, all depending upon the appearance of the marks, again in-hand. How visible are they to the naked eye? I've done enough coin imaging to know that it really enhances marks that aren't easily visible to the eye. Under a 5x loupe, well, that's another story. But with all the marks visible in your image, I'll go with 64. __________________ ANA Member APS Member ARA Member There are 10 types of people: those that understand binary, and those that don't. Last edited by kanga; 06-14-2009 at 10:36 PM.   06-14-2009, 10:37 PM   #8 (permalink) bqcoins You get what you pay for.     Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Nebraska/Iowa Posts: 4,770 My Mood: I like it as a 63 or 64 RB. __________________ BQ Sometime Numismatic Consultant See my Bust Halves here: http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/f...albumview=grid See my Holey coins here:http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/f...albumview=grid   06-14-2009, 10:46 PM   #9 (permalink) ldhair Coin Collector     Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,398 MS-63 Nice coin. __________________ Larry   06-14-2009, 10:57 PM   #10 (permalink) johnny54321 aspiring numismatist     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: North Edwards, CA Posts: 1,123 My Mood: thanks gfor the comments! I think a 63 rb is pretty close. The obverse is pretty red, but has somewhat of a darker hue than the reverse. The nicks are tiny, but can be viewed up close. I bought this coin raw at the coin shop as a MS.   06-14-2009, 11:11 PM   #11 (permalink) Boss Coin Hoarder     Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Out West Posts: 1,116 My Mood: 64 RD to RB. Don't send to NGC if you get graded. They are too picky about RD criteria in my opinion. That is a splendid coin. VERY Nice __________________ “Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.” —James Madison   06-14-2009, 11:12 PM   #12 (permalink) mikenoodle Village Idiot     Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,497 My Mood: I'd grade it AU-58 cleaned MS details. there is too much graininess to the surface. It should be fairly smooth and this coin is not. My guess is that it was chemically cleaned. __________________ A long term marriage is the process of falling in love with the same person over and over.   06-14-2009, 11:22 PM   #13 (permalink) The Penny Lady Coin Dealer     Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Southern California Posts: 836 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by mikenoodle I'd grade it AU-58 cleaned MS details. there is too much graininess to the surface. It should be fairly smooth and this coin is not. My guess is that it was chemically cleaned. I have to humbly but strongly disagree with you on this one - I think the graininess is due to the photo, not the coin. This is definitely MS. __________________ The Penny Lady http://ThePennyLady.com Member of ANA, PCGS, NGC, CAC, Fly-In Club, EAC, and WIN (Women In Numismatics)   06-15-2009, 12:56 AM   #14 (permalink) Boss Coin Hoarder     Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Out West Posts: 1,116 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by mikenoodle I'd grade it AU-58 cleaned MS details. there is too much graininess to the surface. It should be fairly smooth and this coin is not. My guess is that it was chemically cleaned. Mike- I am stumped by this response. This coin looks nothing of the sort. That coin looks very original. Humbly disagree. encil:. A friendly disagreement. Not a CU type of one __________________ “Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.” —James Madison   06-15-2009, 01:35 AM   #15 (permalink) johnny54321 aspiring numismatist     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: North Edwards, CA Posts: 1,123 My Mood: wow. I didn't know I'd stir up so many strong friendly disagreements. Here are some additional pics with different lighting. No photoshop or anything done to the pics other than some slight brightness changes. Attached Thumbnails       Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 > Bookmarks Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google Would you like to support CoinTalk? Coin Talk Code of Honor 1. Post unto others as you would have them post unto you. 2. Keep it clean, like a 1950s family television show. 3. 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