CT Selling Rules

HandsomeToad · 06-04-2009, 06:56 PM

Howdy peeps,

Most of you know that I don't come into the GD section often but this is about the only place I can figure to post this, since it doesn't fit anywhere else.

The problem I have is I have messaged both Doug & Peter and I guess I have not received a reply from either because of the nature of my request, which deals with "advertising" non-numismatic related items for sale/trade and while I realize CT isn't a swap meet, I don't understand why we can't list non-numismatic items, other than Peter not wanting to turn this into a Flea Market but if coins can be traded or sold for cash, what's the difference? Why can't I trade a GPS for a Morgan or a IPod for a DBC or a Laptop for a Gauden?

If we can buy-sell-trade numismatic items, I think we should be able to trade non-numismatic items also but that's my opinion, which doesn't make a difference but maybe if more peeps feel like I do, we can get Peter to lessen the rules a tad bit to see what happens? The stuff I have is awesome and I can sell it on Ebay and make more but then I have to deal with Ebay fees and PayPal fees and all the other carp that goes with Ebay and I'd rather not and I would think CT members would like to save money on stuff too.

So please stick in your two cents and we will go from there.

Ribbit

rlm's cents · 06-04-2009, 07:13 PM

I do not have a problem with it - so long as it does not get out of hand. Not sure just what that means until I see the results, but maybe limit it to 2 items per week in a single post. Maybe the idea to both help control the quantity and to assuage Peter would be to charge a fee. $1 per ad? $1 plus a percentage?

I am not sure what I am describing is implementable, but that should both limit the quantity and help Peter.

tmoneyeagles · 06-04-2009, 07:38 PM

I think it is a good idea...
But there should be strict rules for the people who get to sell non numismatic items...
They have to be a member of cointalk, for more than 30 days, have no current infractions, and they have to have at least 20 posts here at cointalk
Now, if this does happen, with these rules, or maybe even some more strict rules, I think that we can keep it under control...
But having a flea market here, would be a bad idea...We need to keep it on the down low

HandsomeToad · 06-04-2009, 08:31 PM

I totally agree that it would have to have strict guidelines.

The way I was looking at doing it is doing a generic listing of what I have, not an itemized listing, and tell peeps to PM me with their wishlist and I'd PM them back with what I have. An example would be, I'd list brand names of GPS units I have and tell peeps to PM me with models they'd be interested in and then I'd message them back and let them know what I have on their list, or alternatives if I don't have what they're looking for, then we can work out trading or price.

I think it can work but I don't know if Peter wants to open that can of worms?

Ribbit

Ps: I just sold a Garmin NUVI 780 to a really good friend yesterday for $100. See if you can find it on Ebay for that price?

I always cut friends a better deal than "strangers" I don't know.

**Daggarjon** · 06-04-2009, 08:40 PM

i guess i am against the crowd on this. To open the section up to anything, invites possible problems. This forum is Ebay. I would rather see folks join the forum for the love of the hobby, and the desire to discuss the hobby. I would not want folks to join for the sake of just another selling venue. We allready get that from some folks. They join and rattle off 10 posts as quick as possible... just so they can advertise as much as possible ... and then they disappear. Seeing that is anoying as it is. Making the forum the next internet flea market would not help the forum grow, or foster the discussions we allready have.

Not that i get your point though. Some time ago, i wanted to do what you are suggesting - I wanted to list non numismatic material. I was going to give it away free and only charge actual shipping. I just wanted to see the item go to someone instead of throwing it away. Then i found out i couldnt. Ok, so i threw the item out.

As much as i see how it might help some folks do what i wanted... get rid of an item they no longer want, for an item they do. But what happens when the item being sold, say a stereo, doesnt work... who is the mediator? Do we then kick the wrong doer of a seller out of the forum for selling a busted stereo? Or do we kick out the buyer becuase they broke the stereo after recieving it because they didnt like the color?? How would a dispute like that be settled?

I just think the open section is a geat place to exchange unwanted items for wanted items. The Coins and currency limitations, while allows the spread of numismatics, keeps the section in line with the purpose of the forum.

**RickieB** · 06-04-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HandsomeToad

I totally agree that it would have to have strict guidelines.

The way I was looking at doing it is doing a generic listing of what I have, not an itemized listing, and tell peeps to PM me with their wishlist and I'd PM them back with what I have. An example would be, I'd list brand names of GPS units I have and tell peeps to PM me with models they'd be interested in and then I'd message them back and let them know what I have on their list, or alternatives if I don't have what they're looking for, then we can work out trading or price.

I think it can work but I don't know if Peter wants to open that can of worms?

Ribbit

Ps: I just sold a Garmin NUVI 780 to a really good friend yesterday for $100. See if you can find it on Ebay for that price?

I always cut friends a better deal than "strangers" I don't know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daggarjon

i guess i am against the crowd on this. To open the section up to anything, invites possible problems. This forum is Ebay. I would rather see folks join the forum for the love of the hobby, and the desire to discuss the hobby. I would not want folks to join for the sake of just another selling venue. We allready get that from some folks. They join and rattle off 10 posts as quick as possible... just so they can advertise as much as possible ... and then they disappear. Seeing that is anoying as it is. Making the forum the next internet flea market would not help the forum grow, or foster the discussions we allready have.

Not that i get your point though. Some time ago, i wanted to do what you are suggesting - I wanted to list non numismatic material. I was going to give it away free and only charge actual shipping. I just wanted to see the item go to someone instead of throwing it away. Then i found out i couldnt. Ok, so i threw the item out.

As much as i see how it might help some folks do what i wanted... get rid of an item they no longer want, for an item they do. But what happens when the item being sold, say a stereo, doesnt work... who is the mediator? Do we then kick the wrong doer of a seller out of the forum for selling a busted stereo? Or do we kick out the buyer becuase they broke the stereo after recieving it because they didnt like the color?? How would a dispute like that be settled?

I just think the open section is a geat place to exchange unwanted items for wanted items. The Coins and currency limitations, while allows the spread of numismatics, keeps the section in line with the purpose of the forum.

I see both sides of this from a neutal position.
If I were the owner of this site, I would thank you for the suggestion, however, I would pass.

On the viewpoint you see, I think it would open areas that may or may not be of interest to the genral member population.

This Place is called Coin Talk, not Coin Swap.

I do not disagree with you and I like the idea somewhat..but feel strongly that it would not belong here. Ebay has done enough of that marketing already!

A Neutral Viewpoint 100%

Regards,

RickieB

desertgem · 06-04-2009, 09:01 PM

In these times of economic difficulties, I would like to see the OPEN section be more available to the ones who really make the forum active. Maybe increase the number of times one can post in open, like maybe twice a week for those over 1000 posts or even 2500 posts. We know these people understand and abide by rules since they are still here!

.

Jim

HandsomeToad · 06-04-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgem

In these times of economic difficulties, I would like to see the OPEN section be more available to the ones who really make the forum active. Maybe increase the number of times one can post in open, like maybe twice a week for those over 1000 posts or even 2500 posts. We know these people understand and abide by rules since they are still here!

.

Jim

Sounds like a "Posting has its priveleges" type of structure.

For every so many posts, your priveleges increase.

I like that idea!

I also think 10 posts is too little to be able to sell something here and as to a busted stereo, you can run into the same problem with counterfeit coins, so that point is lost somewhat but I do understand the problems that can arise but problems can happen with anything, even doing nothing.

Ribbit

FreakyGsMom · 06-04-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HandsomeToad

Sounds like a "Posting has its priveleges" type of structure.

For every so many posts, your priveleges increase.

I like that idea!

I also think 10 posts is too little to be able to sell something here and as to a busted stereo, you can run into the same problem with counterfeit coins, so that point is lost somewhat but I do understand the problems that can arise but problems can happen with anything, even doing nothing.

Ribbit

IMHO, encouraging some people to post more so they can sell more might not be the best idea. When I was a girl my Dad used to say that "the good Lord gave you two ears and one mouth because you're supposed to listen twice as much as you speak." I try to follow along on CT because I monitor G's internet activity and I've developed an affinity for coins myself, but I have to say I'm quite often amazed at the stats in the today's top poster section. It's difficult for me to follow along when some members consistently have over 100 post per day so encouraging that with rewards might not be the best thing to do.

tmoneyeagles · 06-04-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyGsMom

IMHO, encouraging some people to post more so they can sell more might not be the best idea. When I was a girl my Dad used to say that "the good Lord gave you two ears and one mouth because you're supposed to listen twice as much as you speak." I try to follow along on CT because I monitor G's internet activity and I've developed an affinity for coins myself, but I have to say I'm quite often amazed at the stats in the today's top poster section. It's difficult for me to follow along when some members consistently have over 100 post per day so encouraging that with rewards might not be the best thing to do.

Well the posts can't be one worded posts, or they should get a PM from Peter, or Doug, or one of the mods

But this just makes it more complicating...
I do not know how the best way to do this is... I guess at first, that selling non numismatic items, should be only available to long time cointalk members

**FreakyGarrettC** · 06-04-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tmoneyeagles

Well the posts can't be one worded posts, or they should get a PM from Peter, or Doug, or one of the mods

But this just makes it more complicating...
I do not know how the best way to do this is... I guess at first, that selling non numismatic items, should be only available to long time cointalk members

A lot of the posts I see are unhelpful or just plain useless! It does not matter if it is one word or an essay. Then there are some that are both, unhelpful and useless. We call that guess the next poster.

tmoneyeagles · 06-04-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyGarrettC

A lot of the posts I see are unhelpful or just plain useless! It does not matter if it is one word or an essay. Then there are some that are both, unhelpful and useless. We call that guess the next poster.

Hey, guess the next poster is a fun game!

I think all posts should be more than one word...
On giving a grade of a coin, define why you gave that grade..
And on complementing someones coin or note, say more than one word, I hear that. But the people who are always in the top posters section always do that anyway
I like to think all my posts are meaningful and have substance, as I don't try to get to a certain number of posts a day, what happens, happens
But yes, always a possibility, word gets out that cointalk opened a non numismatic ad, board... And people would just join to join, and post to post, until they could advertise their listings.

mark_h · 06-04-2009, 10:56 PM

While I like the board I also do not want to see it turn into a swap meet. It would just be another forum I would skip. I really believe all of this would be to much for Peter and the mods. The next thing you know someone would want a feed back mechanism. Lets keep it all about the hobby.

I am sure Peter would not mind someone posting a Large Cent and you swapping a laptop for it. But that can be handled thru PM's.

Sorry toad, but I have to disagree on this one.