desertgem

I received this coin in a group of this variety, and it appears to be from a filled die. What is your opinion ( I am not thin skinned ) Actually the original owner has a couple more that are identical. if you are unfamiliar with this variety, it has a RPM D/D as well as being a Doubled die ( Small date over Large date) and in this LDS ( stage 4) has large number of die scratches.



This is a brother from the same group.



Thanks and Appreciate. I noticed that NCG will validate mint errors, would that include a variety such as this also, or do they mean different errors like offsets, etc? Be interesting to own an error in a rare variety.

Jim

foundinrolls

Hi,

I can never understand the willingness to pay as much as fifty bucks or more to slab something that can be identified easily. What is unfortunate is that the effect of what probably is a strike through grease or debris of some sort messes up the date area.

The strike through grease and or debris is a fairly common occurrence and since people want these so they can view the date it probably lowers the value on the examples that are effected.

Having it slabbed as the easily identifiable die variety would eat too much into the value of the coin, in my humble opinion.

Thanks,
Bill

rlm's cents

Nice coins. You can sent a couple to me if you have too many.

I am far from an expert in this area, but my guess is that is not grease. I would sooner think that a shaving got in there somehow.

And, yes, NGC does list this variety.

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rockdude

I doubt it was grease, this struck through shows some sort of a pattern. At least that's what I think.

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tdec1000

PCGS will also slab this variety too... the thing is you almost have to get this in plastic to realize full potential price in most cases. Nice coins, with the first one DG, the grease filled die will probably not make this coin worth more unfortunately because I actually think it is kinda neat!

jello

Nice Find Jim !!!!!

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just coins

I personally think it;s a lamination error not no grease job

JC

LostDutchman

I'll respectfully disagree, I believe it is a strike through.

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foundinrolls

It is possible that it is a strike through a small fragment of something . I indicated that as debris:-)

It is definitely not a lamination per se but it is possible that a thin piece peeled from another planchet and got stuck to the die causing a few of these to be struck.

Have Fun,
Bill

desertgem

It is not an lamination error. I have 2 the same and have a photo of 2 more. I think Bills answer about a thin piece of something got on the die somehow. Since this is a LDS, I have been wondering if it was something that might have retired the die. I will get some closer photos later to post.

Jim

P.S. I do have a lamination error of this variety. 1/2 of Lincoln's face "flaps" up and down.

desertgem

here is a close up of the area of the affected one and also a normal one.The "squiggle" below the "19" that looks like my 401K is a die gouge
that is one of the diagnostics.

Jim

just coins

What is the black substance on the coin? No that;s not an lamination now I could see the area better .
JC

desertgem

The darker areas are mostly shadows. Take a look again at the whole coin photo. In the coin in question, the darker area is depressed slightly into the coin. If I angle the coin so the light goes straight into the area, it is the same mint color. Since the rim of the main mintmark is still visible and yet the center is filled is curious. The RPM that "connects" the first mintmark to the "9" is obliterated as well as the diagnostic swirl under the "1 9". It would seem if it was just grease filled, the whole main mint mark would be gone.

Jim

coppercoins

The darker area in the photo is caused by the lack of light hitting flow lines that reflect the light back up into the camera. Grease causes this lack of flow lines on the coin.

I agree with those who said this is a grease filled die - because they are the ones who are correct.

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desertgem

Charles, Thanks for the info on the flow lines from grease. It makes good sense, I just hadn't thought about it.

Jim