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04-10-2009, 01:51 AM
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This appears to be an RPM, but I don't have a variety guide specific to this series to check it. If it were just doubling to the east I would call it mechanical, but I do see a split serif on the upper left corner. If anyone can verify this one way or another, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
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04-10-2009, 08:37 AM
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Yes that;s an RPM indeed I see the serif upper right nice find. Do some research on the net I don't have any information on this specifc RPM maybe others will.
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04-10-2009, 08:50 AM
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Sorry, wrong lighting and too small for me to tell by the images provided. There are a LOT of cases of machine doubling on the mintmark in Washington quarters, so be very careful about what you call an RPM. Most of them are not.
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04-10-2009, 09:09 AM
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You may even have a triple punch
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04-10-2009, 09:52 AM
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2 for sure. or just may post mint damage
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04-10-2009, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by coppercoins Sorry, wrong lighting and too small for me to tell by the images provided. There are a LOT of cases of machine doubling on the mintmark in Washington quarters, so be very careful about what you call an RPM. Most of them are not. | Yes, I am aware of how tricky these can be in Washingtons. Here is another attempt at a photo of the mm. The light patch to the left is dirt.
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04-10-2009, 12:19 PM
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If this is a BU Quarter remember the tried and true advice,
"The higher numismatic value of the coin to begin with means most any variety on it will not increase it's value."
Additionally Quarters, Half dollars and dollars are not highly sought out die varieties when compared to Cents, Nickels and dimes especially cents.
Now I know this Quarter is not a very valuable coin to begin with and unless you know someone who loves Washington Quarter varieties (I know 2) any D/D on it is not going to make it soar in value - not to burst your bubble but it's probably worth about the same as it would be without any D/D. But they are fun to find and worth keeping as a learning tool,
You do have to be very careful with Washington's, Roosevelt's and Kennedy's as they are rich with mechanically doubled mintmarks.
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04-10-2009, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bhp3rd Now I know this Quarter is not a very valuable coin to begin with and unless you know someone who loves Washington Quarter varieties (I know 2) any D/D on it is not going to make it soar in value - not to burst your bubble but it's probably worth about the same as it would be without any D/D. But they are fun to find and worth keeping as a learning tool. | I appreciate the advice but I really am not concerned with seeking out a premium on this particular variety (if it even is one), that is not at all my interest in posting it here. Note that I have not asked about value, about this or any other potential variety I have posted on this board. My sole objective is to see if anyone can use my admittedly poor photos to verify one way or another. I do not deal much with Washingtons and am trying to learn something new, as you say, a learning tool.
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04-10-2009, 12:55 PM
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I believe I see what might be an RPM in the second attempt. I really just cannot tell for sure, but I'm leaning more toward the RPM now rather than machine doubling.
A little about close-up photos of details on coins...
Try hard as you can to get the light as close as possible to the objective (loupe, camera, lens..whatever you are using to view the coin). The optimum view of a detail on a coin is with the light shining straight down from the objective to the coin. This places the highest ridge line of the device and the field around the device in light, and the sides (beveled part) of the device in shadow. This is exactly what you want when trying to show doubling or other anomalous features in great detail.
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04-10-2009, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by acanthite I appreciate the advice but I really am not concerned with seeking out a premium on this particular variety (if it even is one), that is not at all my interest in posting it here. Note that I have not asked about value, about this or any other potential variety I have posted on this board. My sole objective is to see if anyone can use my admittedly poor photos to verify one way or another. I do not deal much with Washingtons and am trying to learn something new, as you say, a learning tool. | I sorry if it sounded like un-asked for advice, my bad.
It's just that it took me quite awhile to learn why my Washington Quarter doublED dies and RPM did not sell. We are getting some very good sound information on here regarding die varieties and that's (the sell-ability/desirability) factor is a part of that learning. I have/had over 190 different 1960-D/D Lincoln Cent RPM's and it's a wonderful hobby and it's very rewarding but it don't feed the bulldog.
My road down die variety lane has awakened me to "the money coins" taking center stage and those are generally the top 100, the Red Book, and the big DDO's, DDR's as the ones I want to buy and sell. To tell you the truth I still get excited with every coin I find though even if I have found 100 of them before.
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04-10-2009, 02:11 PM
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Thanks coppercoins for the photographic recommendation, I am long overdue for an upgrade in my coin photo setup. By the way your variety site is great, I've used it for years now.
And to bhp3rd, I agree, despite the unlikelihood of finding a variety that would draw a premium they are still exciting and instructive to find, either from a dealer or from circulation. I also have quite a few 50s and 60s lincolns with RPM's, all from rolls. I never get tired of coming across them.
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