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Page 1 of 2 1 2 >   LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes 01-11-2009, 02:58 AM   #1 (permalink) johnny54321 aspiring numismatist     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: North Edwards, CA Posts: 1,123 My Mood: Seated Dollar Does this coin look cleaned to you guys? Maybe I'm just seeing things, but how did this get into pcgs plastic? http://cgi.ebay.com/1870-Seated-Libe...3%3A1|294%3A50   01-11-2009, 03:09 AM   #2 (permalink) TheNoost huldufolk     Join Date: May 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,281 My Mood: I don't really know the series, but it does have some areas that are lighter than others (around the stars, banner). It may be the strike. Just because its in a tpg holder doesn't mean its not cleaned. __________________   01-11-2009, 08:58 AM   #3 (permalink) 4largecents Goldpan Man     Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 223 My Mood: I'm no professional, but it does seem to be cleaned. Look around the stars as well as the date and there is darker shades, possibly indicating the original color/ luster of the coin, JMO. __________________ Attitude is a choice...good or bad.   01-11-2009, 09:33 AM   #4 (permalink) jloring Senior Citizen     Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 479 My Mood: Am I seeing scratches, or is that just the plastic? Anyway, I would say cleaned at some point in time. __________________ Jim   01-11-2009, 11:50 AM   #5 (permalink) kanga 50 Years and Still At It     Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,588 My Mood: Tough call. I wouldn't expect PCGS to slab a coin with that many obvious lines if they thought they were from a cleaning. And I don't think they can claim "old cleaning/retoned" as has been done sometimes. BUT If the lines were the result of die polishing I would expect them to run right up to the devices. Since there appears to be untouched "borders" around all the devices I'm going to go with CLEANED. __________________ ANA Member APS Member ARA Member There are 10 types of people: those that understand binary, and those that don't.   01-11-2009, 11:54 AM   #6 (permalink) ksparrow Coin Hoarder     Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,277 I think it has been cleaned and dipped. I was offered an 1840 (NGC) that looked very similar.   01-11-2009, 01:33 PM   #7 (permalink) stevendaniels Member   Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 98 I wolud say the coin has been dipped. It is tough to tell if it has been cleaned, but dipping a circ coin will give it a cleaned look.   01-11-2009, 03:03 PM   #8 (permalink) GDJMSP Numismatist     Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: PA Posts: 23,503 Dipped - definitely. Harshly cleaned - no. That coin just received some very rough handling at the time it was new. And it appears that it was put away for a very long time shortly afterwards. __________________ knowledge ..... share it   01-11-2009, 09:11 PM   #9 (permalink) Collect89 Coin Collector     Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,491 It is aparently a genuine PCGS holder. I personally don't like the coin. __________________ "All of us are smarter than any one of us"   01-11-2009, 10:40 PM   #10 (permalink) Leadfoot Numismatist     Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,617 My Mood: PCGS gives these coins (seated dollars) a wide latitude for dipping/mishandling. If they didn't, there would be about two dozen slabbed for all dates. This coin looks dipped, but doesn't look otherwise cleaned. These coins were big, and many were prooflike, and those combined characteristics make for some fugly circulated examples in AU grades.   01-11-2009, 11:07 PM   #11 (permalink) kanga 50 Years and Still At It     Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,588 My Mood: I've got two (No Motto & Motto) that don't grade quite as high, but they sure look a lot better. That coin has seen better days. __________________ ANA Member APS Member ARA Member There are 10 types of people: those that understand binary, and those that don't.   01-12-2009, 06:47 AM   #12 (permalink) Conder101 Numismatist   Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,446 To me it appears HARSHLY cleaned. Looks like it has bad hairlines all over it. I would say it should have been a no question body bag. __________________ Slab collector and researcher reported as of 12/29/06 132 companies 332 production varieties   01-12-2009, 01:18 PM   #13 (permalink) ML94539 Senior Member   Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 297 It look harshly cleaned to me as well, the lines on the obverse are symmetrical. There many more coins that's not nearly as cleaned in apperance, yet are bodybagged....   01-12-2009, 10:03 PM   #14 (permalink) ksparrow Coin Hoarder     Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,277 The reason I think it is cleaned is that for a coin in this grade, there should be a lot more luster remaining- what I see is clinging to the edges of the devices. There also seem to be a lot of parallel hairlines, more than what I would expect from just circulation. The dipping speaks for itself.   01-12-2009, 10:11 PM   #15 (permalink) bqcoins You get what you pay for.     Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Nebraska/Iowa Posts: 4,760 My Mood: dipped beyond belief and scratched up. Not a worthy coin IMO, but not harshly cleaned. __________________ BQ Sometime Numismatic Consultant See my Bust Halves here: http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/f...albumview=grid See my Holey coins here:http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/f...albumview=grid   Page 1 of 2 1 2 > Bookmarks Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google Would you like to support CoinTalk? Coin Talk Code of Honor 1. Post unto others as you would have them post unto you. 2. Keep it clean, like a 1950s family television show. 3. 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