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LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes 12-06-2008, 10:45 PM   #1 (permalink) Collect89 Coin Collector     Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,497 Hairlines Affect Proof Morgan Grade Please tell us how you think hairlines affect a proof Morgan grade. I hope you enjoy this coin as much as I do. This beautiful Morgan has been in a PCGS holder & now it is in an NGC holder. Both TPGs gave it precisely the same proof grade. It has some hairlines but they are below market acceptable limits. The hairlines are visible under magnification or if you shine a bright halogen lamp on the coin. You have to search for the hairlines under normal room lighting. Q1 What might you expect it to grade it if it had zero hairlines? Q2 What might you expect it to grade it knowing it has market acceptable hairlines? I’ll post the TPG grade later. Very best regards, Collect89 Attached Thumbnails     Last edited by Collect89; 12-06-2008 at 11:30 PM.   12-06-2008, 11:12 PM   #2 (permalink) huntsman53 Supporter**   Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jefferson City, Tennessee Posts: 3,008 I would grade it "Absolutely Gorgeous" in either case! However, since that is not a grade, I would give it PF-68 for Q1 and PF-67 for Q2! Also, I am assuming that the visible scratches are on the holder with the exception of the nick on the rim at 11:30 on the Obverse. Frank   12-07-2008, 03:38 PM   #3 (permalink) $incere Senior Member   Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 163 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by huntsman53 I would grade it "Absolutely Gorgeous" in either case! However, since that is not a grade, I would give it PF-68 for Q1 and PF-67 for Q2! Also, I am assuming that the visible scratches are on the holder with the exception of the nick on the rim at 11:30 on the Obverse. Frank AGREED.... GORGEOUS... i would guess a 67 dmpl....   12-07-2008, 10:46 PM   #4 (permalink) Collect89 Coin Collector     Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,497 Quote: Originally Posted by $incere AGREED.... GORGEOUS... i would guess a 67 dmpl.... Just so we are clear- This Morgan is proof manufacture. "dmpl" would be used to describe a business strike with deep mirror proof-like fields. Very best regards, collect89   12-08-2008, 12:57 PM   #5 (permalink) Collect89 Coin Collector     Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,497 hairlines cost the grade The TPGs basically net graded these to proof 62. See how much some hairlines can cost the grade. Fortunately for me, I paid 62 money for these coins. I like proof Morgan dollars for 62 money but unfortunately, most people that have nice looking 62s want 63 & 64 money for them. I can post different proof 62 Morgans if you want to see them. Very best regards, collect89 P.S. We all like proof Morgans in 64 & 65 cameo but I could never afford to assemble a set in that high grade. Attached Thumbnails       12-08-2008, 01:58 PM   #6 (permalink) Haleiwa Senior Member     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hawaii Posts: 495 Why only a 62? Isn't that a bit harsh? __________________ There's absoluetly no problem that cannot be solved with the right amount of explosives! [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Sometimes U have to go out on the limb, after all that's where the fruit is!   12-06-2008, 11:14 PM   #7 (permalink) The_Cave_Troll The Coin Troll     Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 2,506 65dc __________________ "From time to time the Tree of Liberty must be refreshed with the blood of Patriots and of Tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson   12-07-2008, 08:55 AM   #8 (permalink) bqcoins You get what you pay for.     Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Nebraska/Iowa Posts: 4,767 My Mood: 66 cameo __________________ BQ Sometime Numismatic Consultant See my Bust Halves here: http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/f...albumview=grid See my Holey coins here:http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/f...albumview=grid   12-07-2008, 01:48 PM   #9 (permalink) huntsman53 Supporter**   Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jefferson City, Tennessee Posts: 3,008 Although I left it out on my initial response, I agree with the Cameo designation! I can't tell enough from the pictures to make a determintation that it is a Deep Cameo or not. Frank   12-07-2008, 02:09 PM   #10 (permalink) mrbrklyn CEO of Brooklyn     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 10,092 My Mood: Blog Entries: 3 I don't see any hairlines but I'm not working from my normal screen and monitor. Ruben __________________ "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." Coin Talk Museum Exhibits http://www.mrbrklyn.com/coins.html   12-07-2008, 09:13 PM   #11 (permalink) Collect89 Coin Collector     Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,497 How will hairlines affect the grade Quote: Originally Posted by mrbrklyn I don't see any hairlines but I'm not working from my normal screen and monitor. Ruben You cannot see any discernible hairlines in the photo basically because it is taken with completely diffused light. Any scratches you see in the photo may be from the NGC plastic. Obviously, it is not possible to grade a proof Morgan from a photo especially one of my photos. Tomorrow I will post the slab with grade. In the mean time, let me say that it is just a nice looking proof Morgan. It is not a 66 to 70. A proof 67 or 68 would jump out at you from across the room. This Morgan coin is just nice looking. In hand, (without seeing the hairlines) this coin looks to me like a 64CAM or 65. The Morgan is not much different than this Liberty nickel which also has some hairlines. Note that there are many hairlines on the V-nickel & many scratches on the V-nickel PCGS holder. Care to guess how the hairlines affect the TPG grades of these two coins? Attached Thumbnails     12-07-2008, 10:15 PM   #12 (permalink) Captainkirk 73 Buick Riviera owner     Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Girard PA Posts: 1,053 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 I think I see scratches in the hair? Maybe 63?   12-07-2008, 06:43 PM   #13 (permalink) Isaiah Coin Hoarder   Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somewhere in New York Posts: 759 My Mood: MS 70. (by SGS's ultra high quality standards)   12-08-2008, 11:44 PM   #14 (permalink) Isaiah Coin Hoarder   Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somewhere in New York Posts: 759 My Mood: Proof 61 Cameo.   Bookmarks Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google Would you like to support CoinTalk? Coin Talk Code of Honor 1. Post unto others as you would have them post unto you. 2. Keep it clean, like a 1950s family television show. 3. 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