Thread: Exhibit: Bust Half - 1823 - Nov of 06 - ldhair

Exhibit: Bust Half - 1823 - Nov of 06 - ldhair



The 1823 sure had a lot of varieties. After a lot of looking at old auctions, I think this might be the O-104.
Please correct me as I’m probably wrong. The look of the date made me first think it was the O-111, but the reverse was wrong. I posted a couple of images at the bottom, of the dates from my coin and an O-111.
They look so much alike it confuses me.

This is also a great example of machine doubling. Many years ago Coin World imaged this coin for an article on the subject. I don’t think it was ever published.





These are the date images that confuse me. The first is my coin and the second is the O-111. Note the weak spot in the 8, the 2, and the 3 look the same on both coins. That made me think it was the same die but the dentils don’t line up the same to the date. It is the O-104 after more work.




All these images were from me learning a new Canon SLR with the Sigma 150 macro.
They came off the camera at about 1900X and saved as jpgs. The only edit was a quick crop that was saved as a new image. That way I still had the original for future use. They were loaded to Photobucket at the sizes in this post.

I did this one in a rush but I'll get something better up in a few days
Larry

I can't help you out on variety, but that is a darn nice coin IMO!! Beautiful.

Phoenix

ld, The O-111 used Die #9 on the obv. and Die J on the reverse. The O-104 used Die #3 on the obv. and Die D on the reverse.

I think the above coin of yours is the O-104. with doubling on the profile.

You can double check it at: http://coinzip.proboards79.com/index...ay&thread=1619 Take a look at Ed's coin. I dont know what to say about the date however. Ask Ed or a few others over at coinzip and I am sure you will get a positive attribution.

That this really unusual! can you give some detail to the asthetics to this coin that you've observed, and is there a variety to this coin which is worth adding to its exhibition.

Ruben

Well with my overton books the stars line up as I expect for O-104. Plus if you look maybe 1/2 to 1 mm to the left in the picture(about middle of dentil) of the star I think I see the crack for the 104. So I agree - nice coin and it is an O-104.

There were so many varieties of the 1823 that could be added but I don't own the images. I'll work up something better.

Def a 104, as the I-T relationship is the only one of the specimens lined up like that. I'd love to see closeups of the 7 star and the shield on the reverse for confirmation.

These probably won't help much. They are just a crop from the original images. Looks like I should have polished the plastic a bit.

Originally Posted by coinzip

In 1823 there were and estimated 1,694,200 Bust Half Dollars Minted

11 Obverse Dies & 12 Reverse Dies were used to produced 13 different Die Marriages.


The coin you have posted is an O-104 R3 if you look close at star 7 I bet you will find a die crack. I'll post a photo that should help explain things. The red arrows point out the Die Crack.


BTW, fantastic double profile

Nice tip and this was a wonderful coin

Exhibit: Bust Half - 1823 - Nov of 06 – ldhair http://www.cointalk.com/forum/t44482/#post473404

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       Art     EDU    NUI   FS     TOT             GT
 	8 	5 	5 	0 	18 		102

	
	6 	5 	7 	0 	18 	
	

	
	10 	7 	5 	0 	22 	
	

	
	6 	7 	7 	0 	20 	
	

	
	8 	8 	8 	0 	24

That's some extreme machine doubling 0n the first '23 , great example .
rzage

Originally Posted by rzage

That's some extreme machine doubling 0n the first '23 , great example .
rzage

Is that Machine Doubling? It is very cool.

Ruben