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Page 1 of 2 1 2 >   LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes 12-06-2008, 11:25 AM   #1 (permalink) ldhair Coin Collector     Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,652 Exhibit: Bust Half - 1823 - Nov of 06 - ldhair Exhibit: Bust Half - 1823 - Nov of 06 - ldhair The 1823 sure had a lot of varieties. After a lot of looking at old auctions, I think this might be the O-104. Please correct me as I’m probably wrong. The look of the date made me first think it was the O-111, but the reverse was wrong. I posted a couple of images at the bottom, of the dates from my coin and an O-111. They look so much alike it confuses me. This is also a great example of machine doubling. Many years ago Coin World imaged this coin for an article on the subject. I don’t think it was ever published. These are the date images that confuse me. The first is my coin and the second is the O-111. Note the weak spot in the 8, the 2, and the 3 look the same on both coins. That made me think it was the same die but the dentils don’t line up the same to the date. It is the O-104 after more work. All these images were from me learning a new Canon SLR with the Sigma 150 macro. They came off the camera at about 1900X and saved as jpgs. The only edit was a quick crop that was saved as a new image. That way I still had the original for future use. They were loaded to Photobucket at the sizes in this post. I did this one in a rush but I'll get something better up in a few days Larry __________________ Larry   12-06-2008, 11:34 AM   #2 (permalink) Phoenix21 *The King Of Jokes*     Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PA Posts: 8,924 My Mood: I can't help you out on variety, but that is a darn nice coin IMO!! Beautiful. Phoenix __________________ Working on becoming the next white rapper. Check out my fanpage here, and become a fan: http://www.facebook.com/pages/LaMast....2914404569..1   12-06-2008, 05:48 PM   #3 (permalink) Jim M Numismatist     Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In A House Posts: 2,742 ld, The O-111 used Die #9 on the obv. and Die J on the reverse. The O-104 used Die #3 on the obv. and Die D on the reverse. I think the above coin of yours is the O-104. with doubling on the profile. You can double check it at: http://coinzip.proboards79.com/index...ay&thread=1619 Take a look at Ed's coin. I dont know what to say about the date however. Ask Ed or a few others over at coinzip and I am sure you will get a positive attribution. __________________ WINS, ANA, MSNS, HVNS, TEC "Never Argue with an Idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience!."   12-06-2008, 06:17 PM   #4 (permalink) Catbert Evil Cat     Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Flyover country Posts: 1,574 My Mood: So this coin may have inspired the term "double chin"! Very nice.   12-06-2008, 06:49 PM   #5 (permalink) $incere Senior Member   Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 163 My Mood: nice doubling   12-06-2008, 07:53 PM   #6 (permalink) mrbrklyn CEO of Brooklyn     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 10,162 My Mood: Blog Entries: 3 That this really unusual! can you give some detail to the asthetics to this coin that you've observed, and is there a variety to this coin which is worth adding to its exhibition. Ruben __________________ "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." Coin Talk Museum Exhibits http://www.mrbrklyn.com/coins.html Last edited by mrbrklyn; 12-06-2008 at 07:56 PM.   12-06-2008, 09:29 PM   #7 (permalink) mark_h Numismatist     Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,989 Well with my overton books the stars line up as I expect for O-104. Plus if you look maybe 1/2 to 1 mm to the left in the picture(about middle of dentil) of the star I think I see the crack for the 104. So I agree - nice coin and it is an O-104. __________________ the other mark Best Baan Community Empty airtite seeks unwanted coins. All sizes welcome.   12-06-2008, 09:36 PM   #8 (permalink) ldhair Coin Collector     Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,652 There were so many varieties of the 1823 that could be added but I don't own the images. I'll work up something better. __________________ Larry   12-07-2008, 12:52 AM   #9 (permalink) coinzip Member     Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 44 My Mood: In 1823 there were and estimated 1,694,200 Bust Half Dollars Minted 11 Obverse Dies & 12 Reverse Dies were used to produced 13 different Die Marriages. The coin you have posted is an O-104 R3 if you look close at star 7 I bet you will find a die crack. I'll post a photo that should help explain things. The red arrows point out the Die Crack. BTW, fantastic double profile   12-07-2008, 09:29 AM   #10 (permalink) bqcoins You get what you pay for.     Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Nebraska/Iowa Posts: 5,004 My Mood: Def a 104, as the I-T relationship is the only one of the specimens lined up like that. I'd love to see closeups of the 7 star and the shield on the reverse for confirmation. __________________ BQ Sometime Numismatic Consultant See my Bust Halves here: http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/f...albumview=grid See my Holey coins here:http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/f...albumview=grid   12-07-2008, 11:02 AM   #11 (permalink) ldhair Coin Collector     Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,652 These probably won't help much. They are just a crop from the original images. Looks like I should have polished the plastic a bit. __________________ Larry   01-03-2009, 04:54 AM   #12 (permalink) mrbrklyn CEO of Brooklyn     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 10,162 My Mood: Blog Entries: 3 Quote: Originally Posted by coinzip In 1823 there were and estimated 1,694,200 Bust Half Dollars Minted 11 Obverse Dies & 12 Reverse Dies were used to produced 13 different Die Marriages. The coin you have posted is an O-104 R3 if you look close at star 7 I bet you will find a die crack. I'll post a photo that should help explain things. The red arrows point out the Die Crack. BTW, fantastic double profile Nice tip and this was a wonderful coin __________________ "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." Coin Talk Museum Exhibits http://www.mrbrklyn.com/coins.html   02-09-2009, 07:08 PM   #13 (permalink) mrbrklyn CEO of Brooklyn     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 10,162 My Mood: Blog Entries: 3 Exhibit: Bust Half - 1823 - Nov of 06 – ldhair http://www.cointalk.com/forum/t44482/#post473404 Code: Art EDU NUI FS TOT GT 8 5 5 0 18 102 6 5 7 0 18 10 7 5 0 22 6 7 7 0 20 8 8 8 0 24 __________________ "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." Coin Talk Museum Exhibits http://www.mrbrklyn.com/coins.html   02-09-2009, 07:13 PM   #14 (permalink) rzage What Goes Around Comes A     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,541 My Mood: That's some extreme machine doubling 0n the first '23 , great example . rzage __________________ Instant Karmas gonna Get you:John Lennon ANA member #R3146234   02-09-2009, 08:07 PM   #15 (permalink) mrbrklyn CEO of Brooklyn     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 10,162 My Mood: Blog Entries: 3 Quote: Originally Posted by rzage That's some extreme machine doubling 0n the first '23 , great example . rzage Is that Machine Doubling? It is very cool. Ruben __________________ "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." 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