Dateless Silver Dollar

vmost · 01-20-2005, 05:31 PM

I came across some silver dollars that have no year stamped on them.
One side has 21 stars around the circumfrence. The liberty head is a bit smaller than the other silver dollars I have.

I also came across some 1896 silver trade dollars???

As well as some 1857 seated liberty dollars with no isigmia and some 1847 seated liberty dollars with the insigmia "liberty".

Does anybody have any information on the aproximate value of these coins? I'm not a coin collector but I believe these coins to be in good to excellent shape (they don't look worn out!).

Thanks!

satootoko · 01-20-2005, 06:12 PM

Welcome aboard vmost.

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Originally Posted by vmost

I came across some silver dollars that have no year stamped on them.
One side has 21 stars around the circumfrence. The liberty head is a bit smaller than the other silver dollars I have.

I'm not very knowlegable about US coins, but none of my references say anythng about an undated series. The "liberty head" dollars, more commonly referred to as "Morgan" dollars are all illustrated in my books with 13 stars, not 21. A picture of the ones you are describing would be very helpful.

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I also came across some 1896 silver trade dollars?

That's even more interesting. The last U.S. trade dollars were dated 1885!

(Japan stopped minting Trade Dollars even earlier - 1877 - but Great Britain continued well into the 1930s. Are yours British, perhaps?)

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As well as some 1857 seated liberty dollars with no isigmia and some 1847 seated liberty dollars with the insigmia "liberty".

If by "insignia" you mean the word on the shield at Liberty's side, the absence from your '57s would indicate wear. Without at least three letters of the word being visible, the coins would grade at less than VG-8.

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Does anybody have any information on the aproximate value of these coins?[

Without more specific identification and grading, the range is anywhere from well under $100 to some tens of thousands, or conceivably much more.

susanlynn9 · 01-20-2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vmost

I came across some silver dollars that have no year stamped on them.
One side has 21 stars around the circumfrence. The liberty head is a bit smaller than the other silver dollars I have.

I also came across some 1896 silver trade dollars???

As well as some 1857 seated liberty dollars with no isigmia and some 1847 seated liberty dollars with the insigmia "liberty".

Does anybody have any information on the aproximate value of these coins? I'm not a coin collector but I believe these coins to be in good to excellent shape (they don't look worn out!).

Thanks!

Welcome to the forum, Vmost!

Unfortunately, the coins that you are describing are probably rounds and not coins. If made of silver, they should weigh around 26.73 grams. Many of these rounds are not made of silver and will weigh considerably less. The rounds you are describing are very similar to the counterfeit dollars being offered on eBay. Usually, either the year is incorrect for the series, there is no date, or the design is different from the actual coin series it was copied from. Wish I had something more hopeful for you.

Please post pictures if you can so that we can be sure.

vmost · 01-20-2005, 07:33 PM

I will take some picturres and submit them for review. I'm not a coin collector but they certainly look real to me and everyone I have shown them to...As far as the insigmias the 1857 Sitting Liberty does not have the banner across the shield with the word "Liberty". The 1847 coins I have do have the banner with the word "Liberty"....You can clearly see all of the letters....The trade dollars are dated 1897?? I didn't spend much $ on these so if they are counterfiet I have some nice conversation pieces!

pcrdnadave · 01-20-2005, 07:31 PM

Here's a "dateless silver dollar" that is a silver round. May be what you have.

another

vmost · 01-20-2005, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pcrdnadave

Here's a "dateless silver dollar" that is a silver round. May be what you have.

another

The one on the bottom is exactly what I have! What is a "round"??? It looks like a regular dollar on the otherside.

pcrdnadave · 01-20-2005, 08:18 PM

A silver round is one Troy ounce (about 32 grams) of .999 pure silver. They should usually sell for the spot price of silver plus a small (hopefully) premium.

Go ahead with the pics though.

Aidan Work · 01-24-2005, 07:39 PM

I have seen a lot of forgeries of the American trade $1's.You can get them in some of the markets in the Far East.You can easily tell that they are duds.
Firstly,the weight is a real giveaway,& secondly,the pieces always have a pitted appearance,which indicates that they have been cast.I haven't seen any forgeries of the common dates of the British Trade $1,but forgeries are known of rare dates such
as the 1935 (the last date).

vmost · 01-24-2005, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aidan Work

I have seen a lot of forgeries of the American trade $1's.You can get them in some of the markets in the Far East.You can easily tell that they are duds.
Firstly,the weight is a real giveaway,& secondly,the pieces always have a pitted appearance,which indicates that they have been cast.I haven't seen any forgeries of the common dates of the British Trade $1,but forgeries are known of rare dates such
as the 1935 (the last date).

I have verified that they are "fakes". I did get them while on vacation in the philippines..I bought 26 of these coins for $17.85 US so I thought it was worth taking the chance...I purchased them from a sidewalk vendor that was selling a bunch of junk.