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11-04-2008, 10:02 PM
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| | Sometimes Coins Arouse Me
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My Mood:  | Grade Opinions on these tough to Grade Lincolns
Im pretty certain I have the grades right on these, but these are tough ones. So, I would like to ask for the opinions of the experts here on CoinTalk.
The 1919S, is loaded with luster, and shows no wear. It does have a nice crisp strike, but if you notice, what happened to IN GOD WE TRUST, and AMERICA, and how would that affect the grade and value??? Anyhow, what would YOU grade this and what would YOU say the approximate value is???  
Now, the 1924S, known for mushy details. This one deffinately has a mushy obverse, but I see no wear. This one also has the same problems that the 1919S has, in America, but thats common on all the Wheaties. Its a tough spot for the metal to flow, where so much is needed in Lincolns coat on the obverse side. Anyhow, what would YOU grade this one, and what would YOU consider the approximate value to be???   | 
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11-04-2008, 10:13 PM
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| | Coin Rich, Money Poor :D
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24 s has wear on the top of his hear, aka the highest point
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11-04-2008, 10:14 PM
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You say they show no wear, the pics indicate to me that they do have wear. I'd say AU55 and AU50 respectively.
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11-04-2008, 10:16 PM
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I agree with GD, very nice coins! AU 24 s's are always in demand.
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11-04-2008, 10:18 PM
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| | The Lincoln-ator
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A pair of choice AU's !!
The 19-S is a very common coin, trade at said levels, the 24-S that nice will trade at +ish........
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11-04-2008, 10:20 PM
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AU-58 on the '19-S you can see a color change on the jawline and along the cheek , when you see the color change like that it is usually wear . T he '24 -S is even more worn AU-53 , still very nice coins I would like to own .
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11-04-2008, 10:28 PM
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| | Sometimes Coins Arouse Me
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Great, thank you for the opinions. I did see the wear on the 24S, but I guess I screwed up while typing my description. I was calling the 19s, AU58 and the 24s, AU50. So I am inline with the opinions recieved. But these ones are tricky, and I tend to second guess myself. Im also not too sure how IN GOD WE TRUST, affects the grade and value of the 19s. But thank you for the help.
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11-04-2008, 10:52 PM
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I don't think that your 1919-S will make 58, but it might. However, I go with the 55.
You comments on the 24-S make no sense. If there is no wear, then it is uncirculated. That one obviously (to me, anyway) has wear. And, although a weaker strike that the 19-S, that is a very nice strike for a 24-S. I would call it 53 and and would guess that it is about 50/50 that I would go 55 in hand
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11-04-2008, 11:11 PM
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Here I am, the tough guy again.
I'm thinking XF-45 on both.
I'd really like to see some mint red on an AU coin, but, yes, I know it's not absolutely necessary.
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11-04-2008, 11:32 PM
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| | soloist gnomic
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MS-60 on the 19-S. No wear showing but weak/damaged details on the mottoes and portrait.
AU-50 on the 24-S. Light wear on the collar, bow tie and lapel and damage on the mottoes.
BTW, the area opposite the CENTS is Lincoln's head/hair, not his coat.
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11-04-2008, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by davidh  MS-60 on the 19-S. No wear showing but weak/damaged details on the mottoes and portrait.
AU-50 on the 24-S. Light wear on the collar, bow tie and lapel and damage on the mottoes.
BTW, the area opposite the CENTS is Lincoln's head/hair, not his coat. | Are you sure you don't want to think about that again. They are pictured that way, but the coin has been flipped 180 for the pictures. The "CENTS" is directly opposite the coat.
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11-05-2008, 04:39 AM
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| | soloist gnomic
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Originally Posted by rlm's cents Are you sure you don't want to think about that again. They are pictured that way, but the coin has been flipped 180 for the pictures. The "CENTS" is directly opposite the coat. | With the obverse facing you, hold a cent between your thumb at 9 o'clock and your index finger at 3 o'clock. Now rotate the coin so that Lincoln's portrait is upside down with his head pointed down. The reverse will be facing you with the CENTS at the bottom - opposite Lincoln's head.
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11-05-2008, 05:52 AM
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Nice coins Dan. You are the keeper of some mighty fine Lincolns.
As far as the CENTS issue here- The word is CENT without the S.
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11-05-2008, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by davidh With the obverse facing you, hold a cent between your thumb at 9 o'clock and your index finger at 3 o'clock. Now rotate the coin so that Lincoln's portrait is upside down with his head pointed down. The reverse will be facing you with the CENTS at the bottom - opposite Lincoln's head. | Not on any cent I own. Just look at you signature pic. "CENT" is in the top half of the reverse which, as you just pointed out, if the bottom half of the obverse. Bottom half of the obverse is the coat, not the head.
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11-05-2008, 09:09 PM
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| | soloist gnomic
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Originally Posted by DJP7x0s This one also has the same problems that the 1919S has, in America, but thats common on all the Wheaties. Its a tough spot for the metal to flow, where so much is needed in Lincolns coat on the obverse side. | Quote:
Originally Posted by davidh BTW, the area opposite the CENTS is Lincoln's head/hair, not his coat. | Apparently we're both wrong here.
My statement that CENTS is opposite Lincoln's head is incorrect. Cents is in the middle of the reverse, opposite Lincoln's collar, neck and chin on the obverse.
Your statement that AMERICA is opposite Lincoln's coat is incorrect. AMERICA is at the bottom of the reverse, which is the top of the obverse (Lincoln's head).
Don't look at a picture; pick up an actual penny in hand and look at it.
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