1896 Morgan MS62+ Monster Rainbow Toning

IvanV · 01-11-2005, 09:55 PM

I just came accross this one, very nice! Ive never seen a toning like this...very good looking, hope is natural...

http://www.moneybucks.net/detail.asp?id=25313

IvanV · 01-11-2005, 10:05 PM

...and another toned morgan by the same seller...hmmmmm

http://www.moneybucks.net/detail.asp?id=25368

Edit: and yet...another one:

http://www.moneybucks.net/detail.asp?id=25366

all 3 seems to have similar traces to me....hmmm

so, after finding this other 2, I'm begining to think...this could be baked or something like others have proposed in other topics regarding toned coins.

btw: is it possible to delete comments? I could put this 2 links in my 1st post but I found them later...and I couldnt figure how to delete this one and paste the comments on the 1st comment...anyway back to topic...

**jody526** · 01-11-2005, 10:18 PM

Anyone else get a "high risk" internet security alert, when you clicked on the second link?

I did.

susanlynn9 · 01-11-2005, 10:46 PM

I wish the pictures in the auctions were larger. I have no idea if they're AT or not. I can't even see enough of the details to decide if I agree with the grades on them.

And, no, I didn't get any warning message unless my Norton caught it and took care of the problem.

IvanV · 01-12-2005, 12:19 AM

Maybe that was the idea Susan...not too large pics, to cover the details, however the 3 coins have a similar traces specially the 1 and 3 link...coincidence? nah! I don't think so!

tradernick · 01-12-2005, 12:39 AM

I think these coins are AT. Could be wrong but they just don't look naturally toned. Plus, consider this...if they were truly natural most sellers would have them slabbed, since so many people trust toned coins that are slabbed to be natural and not AT. Not that slabbing is any guarantee, of course...but it does help tilt the scales if you're unsure about the toning.
Nick

IvanV · 01-12-2005, 02:27 AM

another dobtful toned coin, this time a 1837 Bust Half Dime...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...950688785&rd=1

all this coins look real nice...BUT, they dont look as naturally toned, and THAT's what a coin collector should be looking for, right?, this bust half dime is $212.50 with 14 bids so far, what are people thinking?

susanlynn9 · 01-12-2005, 08:36 AM

It's hard to say if the toning is artificial. Even experts sometimes have difficulty identifying whether a coin is artificially or naturally toned. Also, there is a fine line between what is considered artificial and what is considered natural.

Certain types of holders, albums, etc. will react with the metal and cause a rainbow toning. If someone knows that putting a coin in a certain album in a certain environment will cause toning, does that mean that it's artificially toned if he does this? There are a wide range of opinions on that.

There are ways to tone a coin with electricity, heat, moisture, etc. If a coin is inadvertantly left in a holder and the conditions are met that cause the toning, why is this different than if the coin is deliberately put into the same conditions? This has been an ongoing debate.

As far as what you should be looking for for your collection - that's up to you. There are people who collect AT coins. There are people who collect NT coins. There are people who only prefer blast white coins. The choice is yours. I have seen very deep rainbow toning on old proof sets that were still sealed in their original cellophane. The toning could have appeared artificial except that the cellophane was still intact.

As I understand it, even the top tier grading companies can't always tell when a coin is AT. Although this particular seller is selling quite a number of toned coins, that doesn't necessarily mean that he is artificially toning them. Maybe they have all been stored in the same album over the years and all have toned naturally.

A tough question.

rbm86 · 01-12-2005, 12:32 PM

I'd stay away from those coins.

If you are patient enough, you can find PCGS, NGC, and ANACS certified Morgans with nice toning, MS-63/4 for around $40 to $70.

OldDan · 01-13-2005, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by susanlynn9

I have seen very deep rainbow toning on old proof sets that were still sealed in their original cellophane. The toning could have appeared artificial except that the cellophane was still intact.

You are right Susan, as I have also seen this type of toning on original sealed sets. BUT, the ones I've seen had some degree of toning on both sides, not just the one. Something to think about!