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LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes 10-11-2008, 04:51 PM   #1 (permalink) ryanbrooks US Coin Collector     Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,575 My Mood: 1880 Morgan Silver Dollar - Counterfeit? Hey everyone! I was just searching eBay for Morgan's, when I came across this. The first thing I noticed was the denticles and rims on the obverse and reverse. I am pretty sure this is a counterfeit, but just want your opinion on it! I see a lot of coins like this, with triple rims and double denticles, and I just stay away from them because they all have an odd look. http://cgi.ebay.com/1880-MORGAN-SILV...QQcmdZViewItem Thanks! __________________ Work Online for Free   10-11-2008, 05:16 PM   #2 (permalink) HazardJoe Senior Member     Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 145 I cant tell if it's fake or not ? I personally dont like the comments about the coin. Im iffy if someone writes that they are not qualified to comment on the coin but hten go on to say that it's a "cameo" full of "luster" etc..,   10-11-2008, 05:22 PM   #3 (permalink) 900fine doggone it people like me     Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,287 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by HazardJoe I cant tell if it's fake or not ? I personally dont like the comments about the coin. Im iffy if someone writes that they are not qualified to comment on the coin but hten go on to say that it's a "cameo" full of "luster" etc.., Yep. What's more, he says he's "not qualified to grade coins", yet this one is "part of a very fine collection <he> recently obtained". How many folks are purchasing high-end collections, yet lack the ability to grade the darn things ? __________________ www.900fine.com   10-11-2008, 05:32 PM   #4 (permalink) HandsomeToad Urinist     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 6,599 My Mood: Here's another one from that seller: http://cgi.ebay.com/1889-MORGAN-SILV...QQcmdZViewItem Look at the O in ONE on the reverse and the weak UNITED? Looks like this seller is on a roll? I think you're onto something here Ryan! Ribbit   10-11-2008, 05:43 PM   #5 (permalink) ryanbrooks US Coin Collector     Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,575 My Mood: Nice catch Toad __________________ Work Online for Free   10-11-2008, 09:56 PM   #6 (permalink) Vess1 ANA# R3152287     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,977 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by ryanbrooks Hey everyone! I was just searching eBay for Morgan's, when I came across this. The first thing I noticed was the denticles and rims on the obverse and reverse. I am pretty sure this is a counterfeit, but just want your opinion on it! I see a lot of coins like this, with triple rims and double denticles, and I just stay away from them because they all have an odd look. http://cgi.ebay.com/1880-MORGAN-SILVER-DOLLAR-GEM_W0QQitemZ320308484959QQihZ011QQcategoryZ39465Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Thanks! Look at the top of the E on the obverse! Horrible! __________________ When the well's dry, we know the worth of water. - Benjamin Franklin   10-11-2008, 09:58 PM   #7 (permalink) Vess1 ANA# R3152287     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,977 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by HandsomeToad Here's another one from that seller: http://cgi.ebay.com/1889-MORGAN-SILVER-DOLLAR-EXTREMELY-FINE-COIN_W0QQitemZ320309521907QQihZ011QQcategoryZ39465 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Look at the O in ONE on the reverse and the weak UNITED? Looks like this seller is on a roll? I think you're onto something here Ryan! Ribbit Criminy! Look at the eagle's beak. Looks like somebody smashed it in. You know, these have the same color as the replica coin without the stamp, posted in another thread here about the legality of selling them. __________________ When the well's dry, we know the worth of water. - Benjamin Franklin   10-11-2008, 10:06 PM   #8 (permalink) ryanbrooks US Coin Collector     Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,575 My Mood: I informed the seller Along with the Morgan currently selling. __________________ Work Online for Free   10-12-2008, 06:00 PM   #9 (permalink) Isaiah Coin Hoarder   Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somewhere in New York Posts: 759 My Mood: various letters of this coin on the reverse are wildly different from an authentic coin, If this was genuine, this would be extremely expensive. I would avoid this seller like the plague.   10-12-2008, 06:04 PM   #10 (permalink) Isaiah Coin Hoarder   Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somewhere in New York Posts: 759 My Mood: some of the letters are wildly different then they would be on an authentic coin, And judging by the large amount of other highly questionable coins this seller has for sale, I would avoid this seller like the plague.   10-14-2008, 12:04 AM   #11 (permalink) davidh soloist gnomic     Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,151 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by HazardJoe I cant tell if it's fake or not ? I personally dont like the comments about the coin. Im iffy if someone writes that they are not qualified to comment on the coin but hten go on to say that it's a "cameo" full of "luster" etc.., He said he's not qualified to GRADE the coin. That doesn't necessarily preclude his ability to mention "Cameo" and "Luster". Ebay frowns on unfounded grade descriptions, but not on verbal descriptions. Both coins have been pulled. __________________ Quote: Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with allpersons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly. And listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they, too, have their story. - Max Ehrmann - Type Set 64/129 Last edited by davidh; 10-14-2008 at 12:08 AM.   10-14-2008, 01:50 AM   #12 (permalink) Leadfoot Numismatist     Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,896 My Mood: Hmmmm....   10-14-2008, 05:18 AM   #13 (permalink) CoinScams Member   Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 73 Quote: Originally Posted by davidh He said he's not qualified to GRADE the coin. That doesn't necessarily preclude his ability to mention "Cameo" and "Luster". Ebay frowns on unfounded grade descriptions, but not on verbal descriptions. Both coins have been pulled. eBay is the biggest crock of poo poo going. SGS "Star Grading Service" still lists its coins with a grade mentioned in the auction title. Mr SGS has taken his crap up to the next level, Ebay live auctions. It seems ebay has many different sets of rules depending on who you are and how much money you spend there a month. I am totally disgusted with ebay and what it has turned into. I listed there the other day for the first time in 3 months and I felt so dirty afterwards. Anyway that's another whole thread __________________ -------------------------- CoinScams D. South   10-14-2008, 06:42 AM   #14 (permalink) Treashunt The Other Frank     Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New York Posts: 17,724 punt. __________________ The Other Frank "Buy The Book Before The Coin!" Buy The Book before the Book: http://www.whitmanbooks.com/Default....tID=079482580X   Bookmarks Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google Would you like to support CoinTalk? Coin Talk Code of Honor 1. Post unto others as you would have them post unto you. 2. 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