jaceravone

Ruben, I have tried to zoom in on the motto and date to show the doubled die, but with no luck. The closer I get, the blurrier it gets. One of my local coin dealers says that he saw a strike through on the face of the coin, but I can't see it. I don't particluarly like this coin. Compared to the raw one that I have, this one is not as nicely struck. I will try to get those pics up later.

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mrbrklyn

The reason you can't focus on them is because you have a doubling - so if you have a digital camera, put the flower on and give it another whirl. I had similar problems with this peice

http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/coins/barab...date_stars.jpg

until I figured out that it wasn't the camera, the blur was in the real coin.

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Conder101

I haven't read the article but this isn't the MS silver clad that was struck with an unfinished proof rev die is it? (If it is it would be just a variety in the same category as the 1998, 99, and 2000 lincoln cents. There are several other varieties in different series in this category.)

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jaceravone

That one was also mentioned in the article..... and no thats not the one we are talking about here. The one you mentioned was still a neat find though!

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stainless

Joe,

that 71-S proof you posted, it looks like a Peg Leg?


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jaceravone

I wish! I always keep an eye out for those. The IKE dollars are probably one of the easiest and most rewarding modern series to cherrypick IMO. I found another 2 DDOs last night. So now that makes 2 71S DDO and 2 72S DDO.... and one of the 72s is actually a DDR as well. Text book doubled dies just like they are pictured in the cherrypickers guide.

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mralexanderb

Great finds, Joe. Now I'm going to have to get out my proof sets and re-examine the Ikes. Just how rare are these S DDOs and S DDRs? Did you just hit the lottery?

That 1971S Proof 69 DCAM is a beauty. And you say you've got some that are nicer?

I'd love to see the photos of these other DD Ikes.

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jaceravone

Bruce, I would love to show some photos, but my camera cannot zoom that close in to show the doubling. Ruben had suggested to use the macro mode. My camera actually has a digital macro mode and I can't get close enough. I actually have the same camera as Lehigh.... and you see how awesome his pics are.

The truth of it is that this type of doubling is not like the typical doubled dies we all think of like the 55 or 72. It is not visible with the naked eye. To really understand what I am talking about you will need to see the IKEs in the Cherrypickers guide to see what I am talking about. Maybe someone on here can post some pics that they got from another source. If I ever get pics, I will post them up here.

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mrbrklyn

Where do you get rolls of Ikes to cherrypick?

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mrbrklyn

get a cheep tripod. Put it in marco mode. Out the coins on a cloth flat on the table (or stand them up with one of those Scrabble letter block holders) and get in close, 3 or 4 inched, a little further back with Ikes.

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mrbrklyn

Look at the doubling on the 6 of that coin...

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Hi Ruben! Thats my coin you're referring to in this thread!

First off, we are not referring to the coin as a Pattern but as a prototype. There is a difference but I'm danged if I know the exact technicalities. I believe a pattern is a trial strike of a design concept whereas a prototype is farther along in the actual production process.

As for it being very minor: Well, to someone that casually looks at IKE's, I imagine they would consider it very minor but for someone that looks at a lot of IKE's, it is without a doubt very major.

One of the biggest and most noticeable differences in the coins is the evolution of the Earth on the reverse. When you study these coins, you quickly learn which date should have which Earth on the reverse. For those that have a 1971-S Proof Coin and a 1971-S 40% SIlver Business Strike, just look at the earth. Look at the Islands off the coast of Florida. On the Business Strike Coin, you'll see 3 distinct islands the are more to the East of Florida while on the Proof coins. you'll see that not only is Florida shaped differently than the BS coin but the Islands are no longer metal globs as they are incused outlines of islands all bunched together like one "mega" island. For that matter, the entire eastern seaboard is an incused line instead of a solid relief ridge!

The Earth was what I was concentrating on when I found this coin as I could easily spot the the island configuration was totally wrong for a business strike coin. And, if it were a business strike coin, it was the absolute best example I had ever laid eyes on. Totally devoid of any contact marks with a nice full cheek on the obverse. An easy MS68 possibly MS69 even by PCGS's standards. The reverse was pretty much the same except for that Earth. I could not spot any island configurations which which should have been there either as a proof or as a business strike.

After I got back to my apartment and could look more closely at the coin, I knew immediately that I was in over my head. The coin was definitely a proof due to the crispness of the strike and the clarity of the fields. I emailed the folks in the IKE Group who took full control of the examination and attribution process. I owe each of them a lot for the time they have devoted to this one coin and for their willingness to share information and knowledge with me over the years!

If you really want to learn about IKE's goto http://www,ikegroup.org and register on their forums. All of them will be happy to answer any questions you might have regarding any IKE Variety and there are quite a few!

Lee

jaceravone

Very SWEEEEEEET Lee! Welcome to CT!!!! That is very neat that we had your imput. Congrats on your find. Over the past year, I have been trying to put together a graded set of IKEs to complement the set that I put together in my album. This was much harder than expected. As you can gather, the thread started out talking about your coin and then started bouncing around a little. Over the past few weeks, I was able to identify two 71S DDO and two 72S DDO which has been pretty exciting. I have been trying to photograph the motto on the coins where the doubled die is most evident, but can't get a good detailed photo. Any imput and advice you can give would be great. Attached is a picture of a picture. That is the best I can do to demonstrate what I am looking at.

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mrbrklyn

Oh very cool. Do you have some shots of this coin? I'd love to see it up close.

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mrbrklyn

That is pretty good! How are you putting that on the net? And where do you see the doubling?

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