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Old 08-21-2008, 05:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Wow! New Selling Rules on E-Bay

Ha!

- No more checks or Money Orders!
- Maximum shipping charges
- Minimum of 4.3 on DSR's
- No more E-Bay Express

I usually ignore e-bay changes because I'm small time. But these are going to rock the online auction world. It'll be interesting to see what the fallout is.

http://pages.ebay.com/sell/August200...s/index.html#1
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Old 08-21-2008, 05:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow is right. This will drive even more buyers and sellers away.

The most interesting part of this new edict is the payment restrictions - checks and money orders are not allowed, only "approved electronic methods" will be allowed. "Approved electronic methods" is a pseudonym for PayPal. eBay just happens to own PayPal. So eBay stands to make more money on transactions through PayPal; they make nothing on a payment when payment is made by check or money order.

This one will be interesting to watch.

Another thing I read recently - eBay is trying to get more sellers to offer their wares at a fixed price rather than at auction. Sounds a lot like Amazon to me.

Strange times at eBay.
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Old 08-21-2008, 05:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The S&H stuff I love. Kinda...well, okay, I love undercutting fellow sellers with thier Huge S&H quotes. Seriously, 5 minutes on usps.com and you got your quote to see how stupid some of the prices are. $5.00 to send something thats worth a nickel? C'mon now...

Money Order/Check needs to kept as a backup measure. Who knows when one day your identity is stolen and you need to temporarily fall back upon your checkbook or the MO??
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Old 08-21-2008, 07:24 AM   #4 (permalink)
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nuff said.
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:09 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Looks like most of the changes are so ebay makes more money not to help it's customers.

Ebay doesn't make money on shipping... so they set a limit.
ebay doesn't make money on checks and money orders so they make you use paypal so they do.

What's next?
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:40 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Just read the rule changes.

Paypal is not going to be the only electronic form of payment (for now anyway).

The S&H charge limit only applies to media and states the lister must offer ONE shipping rate within the limit but can offer other rates as well.

Not sure if I like the no checks or MO's but if they lose a ton of business during the Christmas shopping season they'll know why!
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Old 08-21-2008, 02:11 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Just read the rule changes.

Paypal is not going to be the only electronic form of payment (for now anyway).

The S&H charge limit only applies to media and states the lister must offer ONE shipping rate within the limit but can offer other rates as well.

Not sure if I like the no checks or MO's but if they lose a ton of business during the Christmas shopping season they'll know why!
They will allow direct credit/debit card payment, PayPal, PayPro (which I will not go into in this thread or at this time), and "in person" payment.

Now here is what is really going on!

Your payment, whether it is via your credit/debit card, PayPal, or PayPro, will be processed directly by eBay!!!

Understand that. eBay will be the entity electronically processing your payment! Your credit card, PayPal account, or PayPro account will be debitted directly by eBay. After receiving the funds from the buyer's account, eBay will then "process" the payment and credit the seller's appropriate electronic account!

Now, here is what they will try to say is good about the whole thing. You can be a merchant and the buyer will be allowed to pay with credit card, PayPal, or PayPro...whichever service they choose. And you as the seller may receive ALL of your payments into one account...PayPal or PayPro...whichever you choose.

If you thought dealing with PayPal was a headache trying to get your money back on a bad deal, or suddenly having your funds dissappear out of PayPal, wait until you have the headaches of having ALL of your financial transactions centralized.

And this is why your State Attorney Generals need to be contacted. Although there may be no current wrong doing, and they may not even be able to take any actions at this present time, if the AG's have concerns and complaints already filed in their offices, it will expedite action when the problems do indeed begin.

Not only that, but remember that PayPal must be a registered financial entity in each State. if they do not abide by the State's regulations, then they lose their license and charter in that particular State...of course, this is all dependent upon people actually filing the complaints with the Attorney General's offices and the appropriate regulators.

This also means that eBay must have it's own entity's licensing. They may not depend upon the charters and licenses of PayPal because eBay itself will now be the active party in electronic funds transfers and processing. If eBay does not have an appropriate license in your State as a financial institute (usually an electronics funds transferrer), then they will be operating unlawfully.

And like I said before, contacting the appropriate authorities NOW sets up the framework for later. Because they are now an active party to the contract, they very well may be liable for all of those fraudulent and counterfeit coins and very well may have the legal responsibility for such (as they have in France). If so, this means they could very well be responsible for not only the direct cost to you for paying for and receiving counterfeit coins, but also statutory damages as well as any punitive damages a judge may deem fit.

A pandora's box they really never should have opened up. And there will be those who would make the claim that if you do not like it, do not use them.

Well...the trust issues and possibilities here are beyond the scope of these fora, but there are many many more issues involved here, and I do not personally believe eBay will escape all of this unscathed...especially when investors retaliate.
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:02 AM   #8 (permalink)
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alot of it 'sounds' like a good idea... but so does communism... and look what that looks like in practice!

These Ebay changes look like a good thing on the service... No more check or money order? Sure it may protect folks from doing bad things with fake chekcs and stuff ... but Ebay does own Paypal... is bidpay/western union/ other electronic paymnent sites accepted? Or is ONLY Paypal?? The maximum shipping might be a good idea, but what about large items that might be shipped? Will that have the same maximum shipping amount as say a small ring? We all know values and size of items do not always follow the same rule! a small coin can very easily be worth more then a car! So setting a max shipping charge can easily get in the way!

Change for the sake of change is not always good, and a misconcieved plan of change is most always assured failure! We will have to see how this affects Ebay, but i agree it will force alot of folks away ... but long term, will it bring even more back?
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:04 AM   #9 (permalink)
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i am going to go buy my gold below melt while its still possible they are going to close down soon
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:24 AM   #10 (permalink)
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A lot of overseas sellers like to offer items at dirt cheap prices and charge insane shipping and handling costs to make a big profit AND bypass the eBay fees on that profit...

So you can thank all those fair and upstanding sellers in China for giving eBay a perfect excuse to start using these new shipping rules.
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:40 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I guess this just confirms for everyone that ebay is about EBAY and that is that and enough said on this subject.
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:42 AM   #12 (permalink)
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no checks or MO...I'm done with ebay then....time to find a new coin shop (again)


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Old 08-21-2008, 10:02 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm writing an email to Ebay---if they keep the rules on Checks/MO then that will be the end of buying for me. My company has a PayPal account and I use it every-so-often, but not so much for ebay.

If ya'll want to send an email as well--I think this is where you go.
http://ebay-us.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...nduser/ask.php

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Old 08-21-2008, 11:17 AM   #14 (permalink)
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It will either be send a check, wait tens days for it to be mailed, or use paypal so we can charge you even more. Paypal for a seller is horrid. You get charged listing fees, followed by end of auctions fees and then paypal fees. I have sold on ebay in the past, and have found other sites to buy from, but none that I have sold on as of yet.

I say we just start boycotting ebay and look for alternative on line auctions site. If anything it may effect ebays coin market somewhat, but I don't think it would have a drastic effect unless alot of people did the same.

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Old 08-21-2008, 11:22 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I doffed eBay for selling when they came out with the last rules, ie no leaving negatives for NPB's etc. Now I will likely give up on there as a buyer too.

eBay seems to want to kill off it's business.
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