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07-10-2008, 12:28 PM
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My Mood:  | 1873-CC Trade Dollar (Deal or No Deal?)
Howdy fellow coin peeps, 
I was watching a Trade Dollar on Ebay and I thought it was a counterfeit but maybe I was wrong, so I figured I'd post it here for the experts to decide - Deal (real) or No Deal (counterfeit).  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=012
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07-10-2008, 12:55 PM
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Looks like a cast to me...
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07-10-2008, 02:07 PM
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i can't tell, but unslabbed on ebay, I wouldn't touch a trade dollar
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07-10-2008, 02:09 PM
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I'd stay away from that one.
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07-10-2008, 02:35 PM
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If fake it's a better one , but unslabbed Trade dollars say stay away .
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07-10-2008, 02:48 PM
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I guess I'm not as familiar as I need to be. I see some "bubbles" and "loss of details" which I always thought was indicative of cast copies...but maybe not.
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07-10-2008, 02:50 PM
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Besides the cast look of the rims on both sides, I don't like the double denticles on the obverse rim. Then there's the lower portion of the eagle on the reverse.
I couldn't find any reason to think this was authentic and stuck it on watch to see if anyone would bid on it and on the last day, the bids went haywire. I feel sorry for the poor sap that bought it. 
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07-10-2008, 03:03 PM
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$83 Is'nt that bad for a good counterfiet , or am I wrong , Toad , don't you collect counterfiets , whats a decent price ?
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07-10-2008, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rzage  $83 Is'nt that bad for a good counterfiet , or am I wrong , Toad , don't you collect counterfiets , whats a decent price ?
rzage | I do not consider this a good counterfeit but Hobo would be more knowledgeable on that subject and if it was a good counterfeit and made of 90% silver, I'd say it would be worth double of melt so that would be around $35 now.
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07-10-2008, 03:30 PM
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All I have to go on is the pics in the auction. This does not look like a great counterfeit. It looks cast and is probably made of base metals. Personally I would not pay over $10 or $15 for it (and hopefully closer to $5). If I had the coin in hand and could determine if it was a better counterfeit than it is I might raise my price.
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07-10-2008, 03:49 PM
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No Deal!
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07-10-2008, 04:46 PM
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That's why I love this site the knowledge everybody brings , you can't help but learn something . Thanks again Toad & Hobo .
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07-10-2008, 09:18 PM
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No thank you.
Ebay, no slab big red flags.
We weigh them all at work these days and that one does look counterfeit on top of it all.
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07-10-2008, 09:29 PM
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| I don't know a lot about trade dollars. With that said, the thing that bothers me about that picture is the lack of attaching stems on the lower buds (bottom 2 leafs) and stem on the 2nd to lower bulb. However, if it is genuine, I’ll have to get my 77-cc back out and rethink it being a replica. The first is a pic I found online and the 2nd is one I have. You'll have to forgive my scan since this is the first time I've tried it, but I can assure you, there is no trace of a stem on my coin.
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07-12-2008, 11:39 PM
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greetings!
not that it matters by now as i have not been able to get here as much as i would like..but it looks fake to me. i really did not look close, but the denticles (not taking into account all unslabbed ebay trades are red flagged),, sent me a bad message. i do not know the value of fakes, but they can be useful. only hoping the person who buys it has knowledge of such.
of course..no reserve on a cc trade makes me nervous also!! isn't it illegal to offer fakes w/o stating as such? if someone gets taken by these dealers..is there any legal recourse? still ebay illiterate...............
best wishes,
steve
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