Bordeaux

this is my 1983 double die penny that i had just found recently
my first double die!

P.S. I also forgot to mention. The coin dealer brought to my attention about on the obverse the brim of the coin is off center. hard to see in this pic but its there...lol

Numismat

I don't see any serif separation, so I'm sorry to say it's most likely just machine doubling and not a true DD.

Bordeaux

idk maybe...i took it to my coin dealer and he said indeed it was a double die....maybe not then

HAGOP

I'm not believing to coin dealers anymore, they are all liars!

Bordeaux

:d

ozarktravler

nice doubling, I have looked for one of those for-ever. It is difficut for me to determine by photo if die shift or actual doubling. I would certainly have an expert look at it. I'm gonna say it may be a doubled die until some-one proves different. thanks for sharing, ozark

Bordeaux

yeh. like i said i got a coin dealer to look at it but i kinda wish i could send it in and get it graded. and see what they give it. you know?

Phoenix21

Unfortunatly, it looks like just machine doubling, but I could be wrong on this, as I am not very skilled on telling the difference yet. Still, a neat find IMHO, none the less.

Phoenix

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Numismat

Bordeaux - I enlarged and sharpened your picture to get a better look. I'm now 99.9% sure it is machine doubling, or die shift as ozarktraveler mentioned.

Also, with a DD you usually will see evidence in several areas of the legends and/or efigy. When it's confined to just one small area and is not very pronounced, that's the first sign of MD.

The fact that it's slightly off center fits with the die shift idea as well. Machine doubling is quite common, but there are many people who don't know the difference. This is why so many eBay sellers pass these common errors off as rare DD's.

Bordeaux

ahh...well i greatly appreciate it.. i just started reading the back of cherry picker and it makes sense now. but even still it is nothing to hold on to? I think i will just for my sake.

oh and to enlarge it like you did. would i need a special program?

Numismat

Any version of photo shop can do that. You can even use Windows paint to enlarge it, but not to sharpen. If you have a digital camera, the software that came with it will usually have a program to let you do all these things as well.

As for the coin, I would keep it. It's still a nice double error (MD + off center) and in excellent shape. The value and intrigue for such an item can only go up!

Conder101

Something to remember, unless they are specialists in errors or die varieties most coin dealers know little or nothing about errors and a LOT of them will identify machine doubling as a doubled die. (I know I ran into that same problem years ago when I first started collecting. I had several "new doubled die" discoveries confirmed by coin dealers as doubled dies that were actually machine doubling.)

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Coinfreak~24

ya look's good to me

ziggy9

A lot of coin dealers don't know the first thing about machine doubling and double dies other than the major ones. I took the cent in my avatar to my local dealer and was told "yeh, its doubled but its nothing special". As many here know it was later labeled in articles in numismatic news and coin world as possibly the biggest find in the past 20 years.

Richard