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09-19-2007, 11:55 PM
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| | Numismatist
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|  Fake slabs !
Any of you who visit here often can probably recall my commenting that fake slabs are very few and far between. Well, not anymore.
In the past few months I have read reports and seen pics of 3 fake ANACS slabs. And now there are examples of fake NGC slabs showing up on ebay. I have no doubt that someone will soon discover fake PCGS slabs as well. There are even reports of the fakes in some dealer's shops. NGC knows, ANACS knows and YOU need to know !
In the interest of warning all of you I am posting a link to another forum for your information - Fake NGC Slabs
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09-20-2007, 12:02 AM
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That's a scary thing in the hobby. I hope the TPGs can stay on top of those fakes.
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09-20-2007, 12:28 AM
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Thanks for the correction GD. It seems like these con artists will always find a way to screw people over. 
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09-20-2007, 12:40 AM
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I must say that the slabs are impressive, which I find to be very scary. I suspect NGC will be doing all they can to stop this, and I wish them luck in doing so. I hope this does not become a pervasive problem. | |
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09-20-2007, 12:56 AM
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It is pretty scary. The only way I can tell the difference from the photos is that they used the wrong font.
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09-20-2007, 01:22 AM
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| | The Lincoln-ator
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Thanks for a great link, and yep, so far Dj, that seems to be the thing, font.
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09-20-2007, 01:25 AM
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yup guys we are going to have a rwal problem on our hands
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09-20-2007, 04:11 AM
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Thanks for the info and site link
As it said on that site
There are definite differences in the font they are using for the grade Here are some comparison pictures of just the label area. Sorry for the quality of the images. Labels from the fakes are above and a label from a real label below them.
Maybe they can use different colors matched to serial numbers and a buyer can check it on there NGC site to see if color and numbers are good
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09-20-2007, 09:59 AM
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| | Akiba haiozi
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Is the coin in that slab fake as well or just incorrectly graded? If that can be determined from the photo. I see that NGC has slabbed 7 of these, does the number on the slab even correspond to one of those seven? And even if it does, I assume NGC has archive photos of all the coins they slab (or do they?).
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09-20-2007, 10:32 AM
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wow that fake looks pretty convincing. this is bad bad news
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09-20-2007, 10:33 AM
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| | Darryl - Numismatist
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Thanks Doug for the great post. This may give the CAC more ammo. I am assuming that they take an old slab insert with the security sticker on it, put a new coin label on it, and put it into a new slab. Those security stickers the TPG's use are only good if they make them destructible if removed from the slab. They will get the font down as they realize their error.
You know it's funny that a couple guys on the other board blame China for this. As far as I know counterfeiting goes on in every country. Some of the best counterfeits have probably come from right here in the US. It's just a little easier to do it in China.
The TPG's obviously will need a better solution. The interesting part will be how they deal with all of the old slabs in the market. Their reputation suffers every time a fake show up, will they pony up and offer a replacement slab that is more secure???
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09-20-2007, 10:36 AM
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| | 50 Years and Still At It
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It would be helpful to me if you would specify the way slabs are being faked.
From what I see above, fake labels are one method.
But is the plastic part real, i.e., carefully opened and resealed slab?
And what about the company logo on the back?
I would like to know what to look for.
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09-20-2007, 11:10 AM
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| | numismatist
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Originally Posted by kanga  It would be helpful to me if you would specify the way slabs are being faked.
From what I see above, fake labels are one method.
But is the plastic part real, i.e., carefully opened and resealed slab?
And what about the company logo on the back?
I would like to know what to look for. | excellent question.
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09-20-2007, 11:57 AM
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| | The Other Frank
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Originally Posted by grizz excellent question.
grizz | agreed!
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09-20-2007, 12:25 PM
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Wow... well that's very scary. I suppose it was bound to happen though. I truly hope the TPGs do everything they can to stay on top of this. I also think providing some security features on the labels like the security features used on currency or even like Microsoft does to its software ID keys would be a good thing.
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