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08-24-2007, 08:08 AM
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| 1909 SVDB Cent
Hello,
I recently joined this forum, and have been reading with much interest the various posts. I collect American coins among others. I purchased most of my coins in the late 80's either locally here in Germany, or at auctions in the US. Here is a 1909 S-VBD cent which i bought back then. It was purchsed un-slabbed as was the rule back then, so i am uncertain as to the grade. It was sold to me as uncirculated. But knowing how grading is done in the US with so many grades of uncirculated, i would like to have your opinions as to how it grades according to todays' standards. An idea of the value would be welcome also. I hope the pictures downloaded well. If not, i can try to post better ones.
many thanks,
Eduard
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08-24-2007, 09:03 AM
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Where the heck are you coming up with these?
You haven't been spending time on Home Shopping Network, have ya?
(Just kidding) Very nice coin.
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08-24-2007, 09:20 AM
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very very nice!
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08-24-2007, 10:20 AM
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ms 62ish .. the color seems a little off , might be just the camera though.
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08-24-2007, 11:02 AM
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JMHO I would say MS-63.
The streak on the right hand side of the obverse is curious, though. Very nice coin!!! If you decide it's just not wht you want, and feel the urge to give it away, send it to me!!!
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08-24-2007, 12:58 PM
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Judging solely by the photos, I do not believe this coin would be slabbed by any of the big 3 because of an old cleaning and retoning. I would grade the coin MS details, cleaned, net AU. Regardless, a neat coin and thanks for sharing...Mike
Last edited by Leadfoot; 08-24-2007 at 02:48 PM.
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08-24-2007, 01:08 PM
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I would send it in at least for authentication purposes to either PCGS, NGC or ANACS. I'd say it would grade MS62.
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08-24-2007, 01:15 PM
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Sorry guys, but I have to go out on a limb here and say the coin looks like its counterfeit to me. The S dont look right (there is some distortion on the NW corner of the S when Magnified, there is no depression on the rim parallel to the edge above the I in IN, There should be a small diagonal depression in the rim above the E in WE, and on the reverse there should a small depression in the O of ONE from 2 to 3 o'clock.
I say it would get body bagged.
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08-24-2007, 02:19 PM
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Well, thank you very much for your comments so far. I wanted comments and input, and i got it.
I never imagined this coin would be a fake. Considering that i bought it from a Bowers and Merena auction. This coin was lot 2062 of the Lloyd M. Higgins Sale of January 1988. Described there as "Mint State. Deep golden brown with some wood grain efect on the obverse.....free from distracting surface imperfections, etc".
I have taken some more close up pictures of the coin. I hope that the resolution is good enough to allow a closer inspection of the key diagnostics.
Thanks
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08-24-2007, 02:47 PM
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Looks alright to me! And also it being from B&M would also be a point to the right IMHO.
The coin does look like it may have been cleaned years ago and retoned---but it could be the photo....or just like so many other coins was lighty cleaned. I really don't think the "cleaning" takes away from this coin and think it would get graded and not BB'ed.
Speedy
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08-24-2007, 02:53 PM
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i agree with speedy and a purchased coin from b&m gets my vote for authenticity!
grizz
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08-24-2007, 03:21 PM
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Beautiful coin. Get it graded and put the authenticity issue to rest. I don't know how you are storing it but it shouldn't be touched or exposed to any harsh variations in environment.
Bruce
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08-24-2007, 03:39 PM
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Eduard,
If you don't mind me asking......how much did you pay for the coin way back when in 1988?
It is a BEAUTIFUL coin by the way! Lucky man!
swick
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08-24-2007, 03:56 PM
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Once again, thank you for all your replies.
Yes, i woud like to get my coins officially graded, BUT, i do not live in the US. I am german, and i do not know what the customs people would say if i were to come in with my US coin collection to get it graded. The risk is too great. Also, i do visit the US on occassion, but never long enough to allow for lengthy grading delays. From what i have read, it takes weeks.
As it is, i store them in Intercept shields.
No, i dont mind saying what it cost back then. My records say i paid $ 330. But i don't know if that included the 10% fee or not.
Thanks,
Eduard
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08-24-2007, 04:24 PM
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I'm with speedy on this one too.
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