Thread: Half Dime Vlaue II - Ruben almost buys a CAC coin

Price seems a bit steep to me. In general, I hesitate from spending up to 63 money for a toned 62, and I don't see this coin in particular being attractively enough toned to warrant breaking that rule. Said a bit differently, finding a nicely toned half dime is not hard, so paying a large premium for one doesn't make sense to me. Of course things could change if I really like the coin in-hand, but going simply from the photos I would pass.

fwiw what originally atracted me to the coin was its very clean fields and excllent strike which can be unusual with these coins

Originally Posted by Morgandude11

I thought you were giving up coin collecting, and going to disappear. What is taking you so long to do so? If you think that coin "looks like crap," you are best off selling all your coins and keeping your opinions to yourself.

He went from liquidating all his coins to burying his head back into the sand. I think he's going to buy a MS66 capped bust dime just so he can prove a point and show off Ruben.

And great photo Ruben, the lighting at these shows aren't that great anyway.

I was testing out my new toy for taking pictures of half dimes, a domed glass with lights

Originally Posted by mrbrklyn

I was testing out my new toy for taking pictures of half dimes, a domed glass with lights

You're silly.

hey it works

But once coins tone to the point that they are very dark like Ruben's pic shows it to be, then no, I want no part of the

Overpriced for the unattractive toning.

Good to know I'm not alone.

who wants a bright and shiney bust cap?

I will take all that you have.

While we are on the topic of CB.

Which looks nicer? A gun metal grey coin or a "bright and shiny coin".


Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but I prefer the one on the left.

I thought you were giving up coin collecting, and going to disappear. What is taking you so long to do so? If you think that coin "looks like crap," you are best off selling all your coins and keeping your opinions to yourself.

I said I'm done collecting for now, not the rest of my life. It's just a hiatus while I get my financial priorities straight. A coin collector never sells all his coins, I still have a dozen or so left. I never said I was leaving CT.


Very ironic, you rudely wanted me to leave, then tell me to "keep my opinions to myself", kind of like the pot calling the kettle black eh?

Your not comparing equivalent coins - take the blast white coin on the left. The same quality coin in a nice lusterous gun metal grey will trump it. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder as mentioned. Now if you take the coin on the right and make it blast white with a good dip it will have even less eye appeal. Go to heritage and compare some in the same grade and you will see that typically in the AU range and up look nicer in a darker gun mental grey. Heck - just look at lances bust half collection.

Originally Posted by silentnviolent

Overpriced for the unattractive toning. I'll really fan the flames here and say that if I were to negotiate a more reasonable price I would have a few good arguments: It is overpriced for the grade. (At which point the seller mentions the premium for toning) I reply that though I believe it to be NT, the toning itself is unattractive enough that I would have the coin conserved (toning removed) and will cost me $XX. I'm now thinking: His Price - 'toning premium' - cost of conservation/resubmission.... Here's where counter-offer comes in. If the deal goes down, my ace in the hole is the thought that toning can obscure luster. So conservation will not only improve eye appeal, but it may end up getting bumped up that 1 point in the end.

If you acted like this at most dealer's tables they would more often than not send you away. Your lack of understanding the toning on this coin makes you the wrong buyer for it and your assumption that a dealer would engage the conversation in the manner you have constructed makes me question whether you know how the process works. Very few people enjoy having someone talk about the defects in the things they are selling as a point of negotiating, its simply the wrong way to build a quality collection.

That's about enough of that...

Back on topic... any more bickering and infractions will be handed out.

Ok, back to the original subject--it is a very pretty coin with considerable eye appeal, gorgeous toning, and I'd say high in grade. The details are so nice--usually one sees so many coins of that series with problems, and that one is a problem free beauty. I'd certainly buy it, and the CAC is accurate,as it is definitely a high in grade coin IMHO.


Here's another picture of the coin in question, and it is one of the nicest examples of that series I have ever seen--the blast white ones have been dipped, remember. If this one was dipped a long time ago,it retoned beautifully.

Morgandude, Not to contradict you, but there are FAR nicer examples of toned half dimes. Now, what you said if limited to attractive 62s is much more accurate, but there are lots of much nicer toned 63-66 examples. Respectfully...Mike

Thanks for reopening it ...

back to the topic

If you acted like this at most dealer's tables they would more often than not send you away. Your lack of understanding the toning on this coin makes you the wrong buyer for it and your assumption that a dealer would engage the conversation in the manner you have constructed makes me question whether you know how the process works. Very few people enjoy having someone talk about the defects in the things they are selling as a point of negotiating, its simply the wrong way to build a quality collection.

That might depend on the dealers need for cash, but it certainly wouldn't put you in an advantageous position.

On a similar segway, I liked this dealers coins, and he had made a number of purchases at the show for stock, but he wasn't happy with the sales in the show, and felt that it lacked a retail atmosphere. I didn't pull the tigger on any of these sales because I was clueless about the market values for higher end half-dime busts so I took photos and said I'll get back to him after I asked around and got advise from some people who would know more than I do on the values.

So this is the result of the inquiries.

Instead of these, I pick up another coin that I stupidly paid 2x more than it was sold at auction 3 months ago.

I'm just having a bad week with this kind of stuff.

Ruben

Originally Posted by Leadfoot

Morgandude, Not to contradict you, but there are FAR nicer examples of toned half dimes. Now, what you said if limited to attractive 62s is much more accurate, but there are lots of much nicer toned 63-66 examples. Respectfully...Mike

I agree. I would not leap on just any one, some times what you want can be harder to find, so you must be patient.