Thread: Is this 1914-D legitimate?

Originally Posted by kookoox10

The second "1" looks to be a ground down 4. As in this was a 1944-D. Common way to counterfeit this key.

A 1944-D with metal removed from the second 4 is an alteration, not counterfeit, as the coin is still genuine. While I get the point you were trying to make, and even though the end result is basically the same, a distinction should be made between the two.

Originally Posted by kookoox10

The second "1" looks to be a ground down 4. As in this was a 1944-D. Common way to counterfeit this key.

+1
Also you can't compare one 44D mintmark location and use it to say it isn't a '44. There was more than one obverse die used and each one has a different MM location.
On the 14D the 9 should be centered between the ones, on your coin it isn't.

Yea kook, I do agree with that and am familiar with that type of CF of this coin, the thing that I dont understand is how the distance between the 9 the 2nd 1 and the 4 match up with a 1914 and not a 1944, thats the thing thats NOT counterfeit able. On a 1944 the two 4's and the right side of the 9 are all equal distance apart, on the 1914 the distance between the 1 and the 4 lines up with the center of the 9.

Thanks though, I do appreciate that!

Gee thanks guys, alteration is what I really meant. My mind is running faster than my typing this morning

Thanks Menace, that is the one thing I didnt look at, I was looking at the distances between the 9 4 4 and 9 1 4. BUt yes now it jumps out at me, Im still puzzled at the fact that the 9 1 4 have correct placement, but now I am satisfied its a faker!

mlgdave

One tool for determining a 1944 from a 1914 is to look at the bottom of Lincoln's bust. A 1914 will have a smooth truncation (bottom), whereas the 44 will exhibit a small VDB on the bottom edge. It was put there in 1918 and all coins minted from 1909-1917 can be determined by the lack of these letters on the bust

As best I can figure, that is a 1914 Lincoln. I am at least 95% sure that date has NOT been modified. However, as Morgandude11 suggested, I have my doubts about that mint mark, although I won't go as far as he went

Originally Posted by mikenoodle

One tool for determining a 1944 from a 1914 is to look at the bottom of Lincoln's bust. A 1914 will have a smooth truncation (bottom), whereas the 44 will exhibit a small VDB on the bottom edge. It was put there in 1918 and all coins minted from 1909-1917 can be determined by the lack of these letters on the bust

Sort of. The presents of a VDB will definitely indicate a 1944 Lincoln. However, these capable of modifying the date so it looks proper and also capable of modifying (removing) the VDB.

And, FWIW, I do not see it on that coin and at least some of it should be visible.