horvath

Is there any difference between 1916 and 1917 Standing Liberty Quarter variety 1 except for date? I have one where date is hard to read, but looks like 1916 (looks like i can see number one and six from certain angle)


If not, what will a grading service do? Will they do their best to read the date, if there are only traces left? Is there a certain service that you would recommend a coin like this be sent to?

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zaneman

Yes, there is a difference. The drapery on the outstretched arm is different. A grading service should be able to differentiate the date.

mrbrklyn

Even for the type II?

Ruben

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GDJMSP

It is my understanding that the recessed date didn't start until 1925. I also thought that all of the 1916 coins were type 1 and that 1917 was type 1 and type 2. The difference being the stars under the eagle - type 2 has 'em, type 1 does not.

'Course I never collected the coins so I could easy be wrong - again.

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mrbrklyn

Right, so if I understand, and I'm not an expert, if the 1917 is a type I then it should be the same coin, type II is different. I'm saying this from rote memory without looking at coinfacts

Ruben

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GDJMSP

I think Zane is right as well, seem to remember reading that in one of the mags recently. So if what you are trying to do is tell the difference between a '16 type 1 and a '17 type 1 - the drapery may be the only way. But type 1 from type 2 is easy.

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tdec1000

hmm.. I know a place that has like 5 no date type 1 SLQ's I just didn't know the difference between them.

mrbrklyn

Zane is always right, until he starts tampering with chemicals and a microscope

(Its a joke Zane - ment in the friendliest way possible)

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horvath

can anybody tell? if you try, please say how sure you are about what you see

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Treashunt

There are several ways to differentiate the 1916 from the 1917 (both type 1's):
First: the toe on the 1926 extends over the 'ledge' that Liberty is standing on;
2) the drapery on Liberty's right (your left) is raised above the base, ledge, and on the 1917 it is even.

Since you can take nice close up pictures, how about one of the date, and one of the area to the left of the date.
Also, I understand that ANACS will slab 1916's even without the date, naturally as dateless.

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Speedy

Isn't there something about the dots around the rim----IIRC on the 1916's the dots go above the head and on other dates they run into the head and out the other side??

Speedy

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Treashunt

Speedy:
You are right!
Per Cline's reference:
(Difference #4): The reed above Miss Liberty's head is cut in half to make room for her head. I like this one best, as you can tell on very low grades".

There are other diagnostics, best to refer to Cline.

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Speedy

I just got hte Standing Liberty Quarter book by J.H. Cline---signed---and really have enjoyed it---not that I collect SLQ, only have 1-2 IIRC, but the info is neat and it was a topic that I needed to know more about.

Speedy

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horvath

Thank you. If you need any more pictures/angles, please let me know. The first one is the important picture, I hope it is clear enough so that you can identify a 1916 from a 1917.
Second picture is from a certain angle that it makes look like there are numbers one and six visible (very faintly). Sorry for the picture, it is hard to take a good one that would show what I see, but you can also see it a little bit on the picture.

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Leadfoot

The coin in question sure looks like a '17 from the placement of the head versus the beading near the rim. I've included two pictures below to help you make the determination -- note how the head is "over" the beading (-..-..-..-..-) on the 1916 and below the beading on the 1917. This is the easiest way (for me) to tell the difference on low grade coins when the date is not visible.

1916:


1917:


Another slight difference I noticed is the relative position of the drapery that folds behind the shield and the letter R in liberty -- on the 1917 it is slightly farther to the right, and on the 1916 it is farther left (and almost in line with the right edge of the serif on the left side of the R). I have not found this diagnostic mentioned anywhere else, and am hoping it might be easiier to just look at this feature for attribution on low-grade specimens.

Therefore, the coin in question looks to me to be a 1917.

Hope this helps, and sorry to burst your bubble...Mike