Draco

Greetings,

I bought a PCGS 1909 VDB ms64rd and looking at the auction from the picture its showing there doesn't seem to be little black specks on the face and down the right side of the coin that was sent to me.The auction does say that the picture may not be the same coin.But, I would at least expect to receive a coin that looks like the one in the auction or am i wrong about that.,
Bruce

Becky

"The auction does say that the picture may not be the same coin."

That says it all to me.

starwarsfreak

Its not going to be the same coin, believe me.

bqcoins

Never trust anyone that uses stock photos for anything other than ASEs or proof sets.

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The_Cave_Troll

you should have left off the last 6 words! You should have said, "Never trust anyone that uses stock photos for anything." I can think of NO coin that I'd like to own where the appearance of the surface is so unimportant to me that a picture of the actual item being sold is unnecessary. If they are using stock photos they are in violation of ebay's coin seller's code of conduct, so their trustworthiness is open to questioning. Additionally, you must ask yourself why would the use a stock photo? I can only think of 2 reasons: 1) they are too lazy/cheap to purchase and learn to proberly use the equipment necessary to take good photos, or, 2)They are trying to conceal something about the actual coin for sale. I don't want to deal with that seller either way!

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Just Carl

This is why the similarities with coin dealers and used car salesman are so apparent. Ever see on TV that great buy in a car and when you go to the car dealer they say that one was just sold, HOWEVER, we have one similar to that right here and it's a creature from the black lagoon. Consider it a lesson well learned.

Draco

Its good it has five day return!!!
It will be in mail tomorrow,
Bruce

Draco

Hello,

I received a message from seller that he is willing to take back the coin.He wants to take off 20% for having to relist it.He also will take off s/h.. I am ok with that its the extra 20%.. If this is SOP with sellers, So be it.I just feel I got the old bait and switch and now screwed more by returning it.If you want Ebay number just let me know,
Bruce

zaneman

I'd like the ebay number to know not to deal with this guy. It isn't SOP to charge a restocking fee, and I sure hope this guy listed that in his auction before he decided to charge you.

The_Cave_Troll

he will probably (if he hasn't already) claim that the fee is to cover his eBay/Paypal expenses (listing and final value fees and PP transaction fees) but the truth is that he will get his eBay final value fees refunded when he informs eBay that you and he have mutually agreed to not complete the transaction. Also he will get his PP fees refunded when he refunds your payment and he also will have his listing fees refunded if he relists the item, so there is no actual cost to him other than his time. The 20% is a punitive measure to punish you for wasting his time and nothing else! And don't allow him to claim it is anything else!

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Draco

Hello,
Ebay ID # 8424152547
If doesn't show up I will try to send it over as I have it,
Thanks,
Bruce
PS- I hope its not a member here. I really don't want to cause bad feelings. I just want whats fair and if you tell me I am wrong then I will be man enough to accept it and not mention it again

zaneman

I hope it's not a member here as well, because they would look bad. A 20% restocking fee is ridiculous.

Okay, I looked at the auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=8424152547

I hope you haven't returned the item yet! You need to file a complaint with paypal for 2 reasons, assuming that is how you paid.

1. Nowhere on that page does he mention it is a stock photo, that is a violation of ebay's rules, he did mention in his sellers instructions, however I think he needs to list it in the description.
2. He is asking for a restocking fee that is not listed in that auction.

He is a crook, and as such needs to be treated as such.

zaneman

Also, was the coin at the very least in a PCGS slab graded ms-64 red?

Draco

Zaneman,

He stuck that disclaimer in sellers payment instructions. I didn't see it at first or I would have contacted him about it. I want to thank you for your comment though. It made me feel better that something isn't right and its not me...
Bruce

The_Cave_Troll

no, its not you, it's him. I would contact him and try to work it out with him first, but if he gets nasty then talk to Paypal. He also says that he ships within 10 days of receiving payment and IIRC paypal requires shipment within 3 business days of the funds arriving in your account, so that is a third violation.

Thanks for the notice, I will avoid that guy.

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