airedale

This is my first offering and they are all half dollars.

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Cool. I'm looking to do the same with Ike proofs or Morgans. Not sure which yet.

airedale

The 1st coin is PCI and the 2nd ANACS. The cameo face on the PCI is virtually perfect while what would appear breaks in the luster appear on the face of the ANACS. Hence the difference in grade.

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GDJMSP

The difference in cameo from one coin to another has nothing to do with the grade - it only has to do with the cameo designation.

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Thanks GDJMSP, maybe I worded it wrong. I can see very minor contact marks in the 66 that I do not in the 67.

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GDJMSP

I wouldn't put much faith in the grade being accurate with coins slabbed by PCI. Every now n then you can find a coin graded accurately by them but not very often.

About the only way to compare the accuracy of different grading companies is to compare examples of coins graded by them that are of the exact same date & mint and of the exact same grade & designation if any. And even then you must have multiple examples of each from each different company. There is just too much variance even amongst coins of the same grade graded by the same company to do it any other way.

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The truth is that when you know how to grade you can look at many PCI coins and see that more offen that not they are overgraded.....PCI used to be pretty good but there were some changes and they just aren't what they were.

The hard evidence out there is to know how to grade and look at the PCI slabs....GD knows more about PCI than I do so he might be able to share more than this.

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Speedy

The problem is with the grading standers that you posted....it doesn't help anyone grade.
One stander can't help anyone grade all the coins...you don't grade a Morgan Dollar like you do a Barber dime....and you don't grade a 1881-S Morgan dollar like you do a 1900-O Morgan dollar.
Each coin is graded by itself....this can't be learned by just going by the set of rules you posted....

I'm still no good at grading....I still have lots of problems and tons to learn....but grading is a art that takes time to learn....I think the best way to learn is to read as much as you can about grading and also grade tons of coins hands-on.

As Roy said....each Grading Company uses its own grading standers.....But it can be easly seen that NGC, PCGS, ANACS and ICG grade the best....their grading is like the hobby grades whereas PCI and SGS and SEGS don't.....sometimes you can find a really nice coin in any slab....but for the most part you should stay with PCGS, NGC, ANACS and ICG.

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Speedy

Not really....what you really have is 2 coins from 2 companies.....the first one is a PCI 1966...the other one is a ANACS 1965....as I stated above...you grade each coin by itself.
Also since the 2 grading Companies use their own grading standers there is something else....

Out of all of the coins in your big photo of 8 slabs the ones that will be graded the best will be the 5 coins in NGC and PCGS holders.....the one from ICG since it is dated after 1964 will be about 2 points overgraded.
It might not be but more then likely yes....and yes ICG even said once that then tend to overgrade coins dated after 1964....
As for the Franklin....since I collect them pretty much in Proof I can say pretty sure that the coin you have isn't DCAM...I think the date on the slab is 1957?? any Proof Franklin other than the ones dated in the 60's are really hard to find with DCAM....but PCI seems to find alot of them.

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airedale

You could sure be right Speedy! That triple reflection on the IN GOD W does intrigues me, but as you say you are the expert.

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Keeping in mind that my grading skills are weak, my opinion from the slabs I've seen is that PCI grades seem to be more accurate for circulated coins than uncirculated. So if you needed a VF-EF coin and wanted to be sure it was authentic, buying the PCI slab might save you some money [since they seem to be heavily discounted at times] without sacrificing quality.

Speedy

No no.....I'm not an expert...I just collect them and have for about 5 years....
The reflection has nothing to do with the DCAMO on the slab....

I see that the coin is a 1952!!! that is a pretty hard one to get so if I were you I would send it to NGC for grading....I don't think it will come back CAMEO much less DCAMO because Franklin's shirt doesn't show much CAMEO at all so that would kill that from the grade.

Just in case anyone reading this thread don't know what CAMEO is let me put it in a short few words.

When looking at a proof coin sometimes when you turn the coin in the light the coin will look totaly bacl and white....the background will be black and the letters,,,numbers,,,face or what ever on the coin will be white.
Now that has to be totaly white....on this Franklin see how his head is white but down on his shirt under the letters its not so much....that would kill the CAMEO.
DCAMEO just means that the cameo is really good....it stands for DEEP CAMEO.

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airedale

Thanks Speedy. I am certainly having my times with this digital camera. This is about the best I can come up with without shading the device. Do you have a picture of what a DCAM Franklin Proof should look like.
Thanks in advance.

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I don't have one myself but here is one I found online....
I went and looked at NGC's site and looked up how many 1952 Proof Franklins they have graded with DCAMEO or as they said UCAM....and there are 25....so you can see that for this date it isn't easy to find that.
You have a really nice coin...and I bet it would be a nice high grade but not DCAMEO...
If you ever send it off for grading make sure you let us know what it comes back as!!!

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airedale

Different coin but the right idea.

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