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[Midas]

I didn't make the rules...I didn't set the market...I didn't influence the numismatic community over the last 20 years...All I did was research the market place and then offered FACTS and LINKS to support my argument.

I own coins from all of the top TPG's, but the question came up to who should you submit to? Well, if I am going to go through the hassle and expense of coin submissions, I want the service that will not only offer my coin a grade and authentication, but will be respected and demanded in the numismatic community!

Take a look at some coins being sold and better yet, HAVE BEEN SOLD in recent days/months/years:

BTW...From Webster's dictionary...

Source: 1.) a point of origin 2.) The place of origin for a stream of water 3.) One that supplies information

The source in this case is Heritage's COMPLETED auctions and PRICES REALIZED!

How about a 1909 VDB 1c, a common coin no doubt and one that Lincoln collectors will likely see go up when 2009 comes around. This is just for 2006 (Source again is Heritage...you got it?...it's called a source):

May 1, 2006 66 PCGS $218.50
May 1, 2006 66 NGC $184.00
May 1, 2006 66 PCGS $184.00
April 30, 2006 64 ANACS $66.00
April 29, 2006 67 PCGS $1,035.00
April 10, 2006 66 PCGS $195.50
April 10, 2006 66 PCGS $195.50
April 10, 2006 66 PCGS $195.50
April 10, 2006 66 PCGS $195.50
April 10, 2006 66 PCGS $195.50
April 10, 2006 66 PCGS $195.50
April 10, 2006 66 PCGS $184.00
April 7, 2006 67 PCGS $1,265.00
April 2, 2006 65 PCGS $92.00
March 26, 2006 65 PCGS $97.75
March 19, 2006 65 PCGS $92.00
March 12, 2006 65 NGC $72.45
March 7, 2006 65 NGC $74.75
March 6, 2006 66 PCGS $218.50
March 6, 2006 66 PCGS $207.00
March 6, 2006 66 PCGS $207.00
March 6, 2006 66 PCGS $207.00
March 5, 2006 65 PCGS $97.75
March 5, 2006 65 NGC $74.75
March 5, 2006 66 PCGS $184.00
March 4, 2006 67 PCGS $1,150.00
February 28, 2006 65 PCGS $97.75
February 28, 2006 65 NGC $86.25
February 28, 2006 66 PCGS $207.00
February 21, 2006 65 PCGS $115.00
February 21, 2006 65 PCGS $92.00
February 21, 2006 66 PCGS $207.00
February 19, 2006 65 PCGS $92.00
February 19, 2006 65 NGC $80.50
February 19, 2006 67 PCGS $1,150.00
February 14, 2006 65 PCGS $97.75
February 14, 2006 65 NGC $86.25
February 14, 2006 66 NGC $149.50
February 14, 2006 67 PCGS $1,150.00
February 13, 2006 64 PCGS $54.00
February 13, 2006 66 PCGS $276.00
February 12, 2006 66 PCGS $218.50
February 7, 2006 66 PCGS $218.50
February 5, 2006 65 NGC $74.75
January 15, 2006 64 NGC $48.00
January 15, 2006 66 NGC $166.75
January 10, 2006 64 NGC $48.00
January 10, 2006 65 NGC $80.50
January 9, 2006 66 PCGS $184.00
January 8, 2006 64 PCGS $51.00
January 8, 2006 64 NGC $48.00
January 7, 2006 67 PCGS $1,035.00
January 7, 2006 67 PCGS $1,150.00
January 7, 2006 67 PCGS $805.00
January 7, 2006 67 PCGS $1,150.00
January 7, 2006 67 PCGS $1,150.00

How about a 1881-S Morgan that Zane was looking to submit? How has that coin done in the marketplace in just MS65 grades alone (since there is a BUNCH of these that were sold since the first of the year?:

Auction 26051, Lot 13403 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 65 NGC $149.50
Auction 26051, Lot 13404 Tuesday, May 2, 2006 65 NGC $138.00
Auction 405, Lot 8376 Monday, May 1, 2006 65 PCGS $218.50
Auction 405, Lot 8377 Monday, May 1, 2006 65 NGC $161.00
Auction 405, Lot 8378 Monday, May 1, 2006 65 NGC $195.50
Auction 405, Lot 8379 Monday, May 1, 2006 65 NGC $161.00
Auction 405, Lot 8381 Monday, May 1, 2006 65 NGC $207.00
Auction 405, Lot 8382 Monday, May 1, 2006 65 NGC $299.00
Auction 405, Lot 8383 Monday, May 1, 2006 65 PCGS $276.00
Auction 66044, Lot 23350 Sunday, April 23, 2006 65 ANACS $109.25
Auction 66044, Lot 23351 Sunday, April 23, 2006 65 ANACS $109.25
Auction 66044, Lot 23352 Sunday, April 23, 2006 65 ANACS $97.75
Auction 66044, Lot 23353 Sunday, April 23, 2006 65 NGC $138.00
Auction 26043, Lot 13587 Tuesday, April 18, 2006 65 PCGS $149.50
Auction 403, Lot 8109 Monday, April 10, 2006 65 NGC $172.50
Auction 403, Lot 8110 Monday, April 10, 2006 65 PCGS $126.50
Auction 403, Lot 8111 Monday, April 10, 2006 65 NGC $138.00
Auction 403, Lot 8112 Monday, April 10, 2006 65 PCGS $126.50
Auction 403, Lot 8113 Monday, April 10, 2006 65 NGC $184.00
Auction 403, Lot 8114 Monday, April 10, 2006 65 PCGS $149.50
Auction 403, Lot 8115 Monday, April 10, 2006 65 PCGS $138.00
Auction 403, Lot 8116 Monday, April 10, 2006 65 PCGS $126.50
Auction 26041, Lot 13232 Tuesday, April 4, 2006 65 PCGS $149.50
Auction 26041, Lot 13233 Tuesday, April 4, 2006 65 NGC $138.00
Auction 26041, Lot 13234 Tuesday, April 4, 2006 65 NGC $138.00
Auction 26041, Lot 13235 Tuesday, April 4, 2006 65 NGC $121.90
Auction 26041, Lot 13236 Tuesday, April 4, 2006 65 NGC $138.00
Auction 66041, Lot 24258 Sunday, April 2, 2006 65 NGC $115.00
Auction 413, Lot 7925 Monday, March 6, 2006 65 NGC $126.50
Auction 413, Lot 7926 Monday, March 6, 2006 65 NGC $138.00
Auction 413, Lot 7927 Monday, March 6, 2006 65 NGC $126.50
Auction 413, Lot 7928 Monday, March 6, 2006 65 NGC $126.50
Auction 66024, Lot 23409 Sunday, February 26, 2006 65 ANACS $126.50
Auction 26023, Lot 13443 Tuesday, February 21, 2006 65 PCGS $126.50
Auction 26023, Lot 13444 Tuesday, February 21, 2006 65 PCGS $138.00
Auction 66023, Lot 24434 Sunday, February 19, 2006 65 NGC $115.00
Auction 66023, Lot 24435 Sunday, February 19, 2006 65 ANACS $115.00
Auction 66023, Lot 24436 Sunday, February 19, 2006 65 PCGS $126.50
Auction 401, Lot 8652 Monday, February 13, 2006 65 PCGS $126.50
Auction 401, Lot 8653 Monday, February 13, 2006 65 PCGS $138.00
Auction 401, Lot 8654 Monday, February 13, 2006 65 PCGS $431.25
Auction 401, Lot 8655 Monday, February 13, 2006 65 PCGS $109.25
Auction 401, Lot 8656 Monday, February 13, 2006 65 NGC $195.50
Auction 401, Lot 8657 Monday, February 13, 2006 65 PCGS $126.50
Auction 401, Lot 8658 Monday, February 13, 2006 65 PCGS $142.60
Auction 401, Lot 8659 Monday, February 13, 2006 65 PCGS $115.00
Auction 401, Lot 8660 Monday, February 13, 2006 65 NGC $126.50
Auction 401, Lot 8661 Monday, February 13, 2006 65 PCGS $126.50
Auction 401, Lot 8662 Monday, February 13, 2006 65 PCGS $149.50
Auction 26021, Lot 13313 Tuesday, February 7, 2006 65 NGC $115.00
Auction 26021, Lot 13314 Tuesday, February 7, 2006 65 PCGS $146.05
Auction 26021, Lot 13315 Tuesday, February 7, 2006 65 PCGS $149.50
Auction 26021, Lot 13316 Tuesday, February 7, 2006 65 PCGS $149.50
Auction 26021, Lot 13317 Tuesday, February 7, 2006 65 PCGS $138.00
Auction 66021, Lot 24190 Sunday, February 5, 2006 65 PCGS $161.00
Auction 391, Lot 29238 Monday, January 30, 2006 65 NGC $230.00
Auction 26014, Lot 13278 Wednesday, January 25, 2006 65 PCGS $139.15
Auction 26014, Lot 13280 Wednesday, January 25, 2006 65 NGC $155.25
Auction 66014, Lot 24346 Sunday, January 22, 2006 65 NGC $132.25
Auction 66014, Lot 24347 Sunday, January 22, 2006 65 ANACS $97.75
Auction 26013, Lot 11657 Tuesday, January 17, 2006 65 NGC $115.00
Auction 26013, Lot 11658 Tuesday, January 17, 2006 65 ANACS $109.25
Auction 26013, Lot 11659 Tuesday, January 17, 2006 65 PCGS $172.50
Auction 26013, Lot 11660 Tuesday, January 17, 2006 65 PCGS $149.50
Auction 66013, Lot 23393 Sunday, January 15, 2006 65 ANACS $109.25
Auction 66013, Lot 23395 Sunday, January 15, 2006 65 PCGS $138.00
Auction 26012, Lot 13247 Tuesday, January 10, 2006 64 PCGS $48.00
Auction 395, Lot 26654 Monday, January 9, 2006 65 PCGS $172.50
Auction 395, Lot 26655 Monday, January 9, 2006 65 PCGS $184.00
Auction 395, Lot 26656 Monday, January 9, 2006 65 NGC $103.50
Auction 66012, Lot 24223 Sunday, January 8, 2006 65 PCGS $149.50
Auction 66012, Lot 24224 Sunday, January 8, 2006 65 NGC $138.00

How about a modern?? Let's look at the 2005 Bison Proof nickel:

Auction 26042, Lot 11120 Tuesday, April 11, 2006 69 PCGS $31.00
Auction 26041, Lot 13076 Tuesday, April 4, 2006 70 NGC $97.75
Auction 26024, Lot 11100 Tuesday, February 28, 2006 70 NGC $92.00
Auction 26023, Lot 13162 Tuesday, February 21, 2006 70 NGC $149.50
Auction 395, Lot 25589 Monday, January 9, 2006 70 PCGS $207.00
Auction 389, Lot 7455 Monday, November 7, 2005 70 PCGS $276.00

Look...sure there are exceptions here and there (especially toned examples), but if I am going to submit to a service and IF I wish to liquidate my collection, I know that "all things being equal" I will sell PCGS graded coins for MORE than the other services. I didn't make the rules...I am just proving what the market is bearing.

Where are your facts?? Prices realized (that means REAL money paid) is a pretty good indicator to measure market demand, so again, where are YOUR facts??

Or are you just going to offer another opinion so you feel good about yourself?