Should I pay this guy on eBay?

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  1. omahaorange

    omahaorange Active Member

    Agreed. But from what I gather from the original post, this was not the first dose, nor was it the first reaction of this type.
     
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  3. TheCoinGeezer

    TheCoinGeezer Senex Bombulum

    You have got to be joking.
    That is the lamest excuse I've heard in quite some time.
    If taking Ambien causes you act in this manner and you knew it would do so, then you should stop taking the drug.
    You are 100% responsible for your actions.
    You bid, you won, you pay - case closed.
    Please post your eBay handle so I can block you from ever bidding on my occasional auctions - trouble like you I do not need.
     
  4. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    What the OP took is a sleep aide and is normally taken at night before going to bed.
     
  5. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on


    And some drugs don't cause side effects until the user has been on it awhile, or having started at a lower dose and increasing per the doctor's instructions, starts having side effects. Some drugs cannot be stopped immediately by the patient, even in cases of side-effects. Some doctors don't consider some side effects too harsh to have the patient stop the medication. So there are a lot of interesting scenarios that could be played on this. I am glad that the OP did not have a harsher side effect, and that he could cover the one seller that was a pain (I say that from the point of view that many sellers are willing to ditch the deal so that they know that when something is sold, the buyer is actually happy with it, rather than feeling forced into buying something they really didn't want -- and if the item is a valued one, and properly priced, it should sell to someone else. Sellers can get their listing fees refunded, so there's no harm there. Better than to risk a buyer purchasing it, and then finding a way to be unhappy with it once it's arrived and file a SNAD or some other way of getting their money back).
     
  6. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Man, come on. Jason paid for the item. He stepped up and made the seller whole. I simply do not see the need for such a harsh post sir.

    If Jason had basically just ignored the sellers emails and walked away from the transaction, (like many/most on Ebay would have), I could see why you may post such a thing. He didn't, he manned up, and should be respected for it.
     
  7. TheCoinGeezer

    TheCoinGeezer Senex Bombulum

    No, he didn't pay - that's what the original post said. He is/was trying to weasel out of out with what I consider a very lame excuse.

    How did he "man up"? By blaming his actions on a drug he habitually takes? A drug which he admits he has a bad reaction to? By implying that he's the victim here?
    He asked for opinions and my opinion is: He bid, he won, he pays - case closed.
     
  8. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Please read post #96. He asked for advice, listened to us, and paid the seller.
     
  9. TheCoinGeezer

    TheCoinGeezer Senex Bombulum

    OK, he (allegedly) paid. Since when should people be commended for doing the ethical thing? That's what a person is SUPPOSED to do!
    The fact that he admittedly weaseled out of the two other auctions he won and felt the need to get opinions on what to do indicates to me that he is on shaky ground, ethics-wise.
    Why should a seller be penalized for someone's reckless behavior? And reckless it was, since he admitted this isn't the first time he's had a negative reaction to Ambien.
    As for Ambien intoxication, try explaining that to a judge if you killed someone while driving under its influence. After he got done laughing, he'd throw the book at you.
    He came here for opinions and he got them, what's the problem?
    That's the last I have to say on this matter.
     
  10. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    Some very interesting perspectives on this situation. However, for me there was only one answer in response to the OP's dilemma. Pay for the items you purchased. I happy to hear the OP came to the same conclusion.
     
  11. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Which is worse, and ethics problem or etiquette problem?

    BTW, the judge absolutely would not throw the book at you. Forget the fact that judges don't determine guilt, juries do. Sleepwalking has been a successful defense for murder in the past.
     
  12. coin dexter

    coin dexter Junior Member

    I agree...Give this a shot. Sorry for your troubles but I'm sure it'll work itself out....Joe
     
  13. onecoinpony

    onecoinpony Member

    Wrong, as usual.

    Judges many times determine guilt. Defendants routinely waive their right to a jury trial, and have a trial by a judge alone.

    Stick to playing cards, it fits you on so many levels.
     
  14. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Not in murder trials they don't, troll
     
  15. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Well, depending on the jurisdiction and offense, it could be either. Capital crimes and the like all have the right to a jury trial, but it can always be waived. You never have the right to waive a judge trial and demand a jury if the statute does not provide for it.

    Man, is it me or has this thread taken a dark turn today?
     
  16. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    I don't understand what the issue is here. The OP came here and explained what happened and asked us to help him make this decision. The overwhelming answer was that he should pay the seller...and he ultimately did that. I don't understand why this is still an issue.

    As for the question of legal liability...I don't know the answer to that for sure. However, this is nothing like a drunk driver damaging property or killing someone. This is more of an issue of contract law...which is what eBay is, a contract between two parties. Since he was not in control of his facilities when he entered into that contract, a court of law would probably rule the contract is not valid. However, IMHO the right thing to do is to pay for the item...and then resell it if the OP does not want it. He paid for, so lets drop it.

    Now, this discussion is getting a little heated. Lets keep it civil people, no more name calling or trouble. Consider this a warning.
     
  17. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I wasn't disputing that a defendant has the right to waive a trial by jury and opt for a bench trial, only stating that in murder cases it is exceedingly rare. Hence the reason why I said "forget that judges don't don't determine guilt, juries do." But the guy who is actually a court reporter claiming to be a lawyer shows up to nitpick one of my posts, as usual.
     
  18. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I know man, I was responding to him actually. Our responses cross posted.
     
  19. Porsche2007

    Porsche2007 Senior Member

    Most U. S. laws don't adhere themselves to naturalness of the species; therefore, what can one expect? (Use "sleepwalking" while you're in front of a tribal jurisdiction with most laws inclined towards naturalness, and let's see how well you perform.)
    You are correct.
    Win a few arguments on a forum, and now you all reign highlands? Lehigh96 has appropriately unmasked some sepoys around here.
     
  20. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    One thing that you guys seem to be missing is this is an issue of contract law...and nothing else. If someone enters into a contract when they are not in control of their facilities...is the contract valid? That is the issue here, it is nothing like drunk driving and the driver being liable for the damages.
     
  21. andyscouse

    andyscouse Collector of Brit stuff

    Judges are idiots, tossers who swan around in ponsy (girlie) robes who think they're some kind of god - but they are not!! They ought to be elected and voted out of office if incompetent. In most cases, judges are simply failed lawyers.
     
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