Let's see your Conder Tokens

Looks like I won the following token in today's DNW sale - for a touch more than $300 Anyone care to try to identify it?

 

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Till pieces-I agree. Major collections accessed by Dalton & Hamer included these pieces so in they went.

Devonshire Upcott 1 (Davis 21)-Included in Bell's "Tradesmen's Tickets and Private Tokens" ostensibly because it's dated 1801 and has "private token" in the exergue. Issued by W. Upcott and engraved by Wyon. Originals weren't fully struck up and are without the reverse lighthouse flaws or cuds. Later the dies were softened and repaired by Taylor and another couple dozen struck (requiring many strikes to bring up the detail due to the overlapping of obverse and reverse lighthouses.)




The Gordon Riots-Lots of tokens and medals in D&H depict past events and dates. Some also have a date within the Conder era and some don't. Usually the engraver/manufacturer help date these to the Conder era.



All in all, quite a hodgepodge!

 

Hey, farthing, that's a nice acquisition.
Your token looks like Scotland, Rorburghshire, Jedburgh 1, rated Scarce in D&H.

Is it farthing-sized? It seems to be in a halfpenny section but plate photos appear smallish.

 

Larry - I suspect the token is much rarer than the Scarce D&H gives it. I do not know what the current count Dr. Sriro gives for the token but my records only show its appearance in the R.C. Bell auction by DNW in 1996.

I will not know its size until I have it in hand but I suspect it will be closer to farthing sized than halfpenny.

 

My most recent Srirro CD (2010) does not show that he has one so there are no records for how many he has seen.

 

I have Dr. Sriro's 2012 DVD and there is one pictured,
but it has some black & green verdigris involvement.
His example has no scratches, but it has more wear than your example, imho,
noticeable on letters and dentils/denticles.

His file says Pop. 2 and Rare.

 

Here's one I picked up

 

That's a very nice example, Duke.
Looks Near Gem from here. : )

 

Not sure of the attribution for this Ebay purchase. Northumberland 3, but what edge?
D&H lists the edge on #3 as "Plain (not in collar) on thin flan". (The addenda also list a 3a "milled" and 3b "rough milled"). The piece is not of uniform thickness but isn't particularly thin. There's some striations on the edge that might arguably be called milling but it's not uniform around the edge. Could this have been a milled planchet struck in a collar? Any insights?

 

2 conder tokens..

Without knowing too much about them, I paid $25 for both to a friend who was getting rid of some coins. After some research I found that:
The first is a D&H# 13.A.14 and is common. The second is a D&H# 240.A.179 and, though the type is common, this variety (position of head relative to "Pro Bono Publico") is pretty rare. Though I wrote the page #s of this info. at the time, I forgot to mention the title of the online catalog, or even mark it as a favorite... Now I cannot find it at all... There must not have been values given, or I believe I'd have written them but then again..... Anyone know what they are worth? Is my attempt at identification correct? Conder101 help!

 

The attributions appear correct - the first is cataloged by Dalton & Hamer (D&H) as Norfolk Norwich #13 and earlier by Atkins as Norfolk #14 and the second as Warwickshire Coventry #240 (Aitkins 179). It should be noted that the first comes with 7 edge varieties (13, 13a, 13b, etc.) which range from Common to RRR while there are 3 edge varieties for the second which range from Common to Rare.

I would say that you paid a fair price for the 2 assuming the edge variety are the common varieties.

 

The Roxburghshire #1 arrived today - it is definitely farthing sized and quite thin. Mine has a slight bend to it.

 

Peter Kempson Proof 1792 Conder Token

I recently received this Warwickshire DH-205 halfpenny Conder Token manufactured by Peter Kempson.


1792 Warwickshire, Birmingham DH 205 • New Brewery / P. Kempson, Medallist

Peter Kempson of Birmingham engraved and struck this issue for collectors.
It's one of his 'Birmingham Building' series,
a halfpenny token (or more properly, a medalet).

It's rated Common. It's a proof example with toned mirror fields.
Struck in collar, its edge is plain.

I took a bunch of photos. Here are a few.



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1795 Conder Token with Raised Edge Lettering • Wales, Glamorganshire 3a


I bought this Welsh halfpenny token primarily because of its unusual edge lettering which is not incuse but raised.
This token variety is rated 'Fairly Common.' It's a completely new issue to me,

Actually, the lettering stands out within a wide groove in its edge.
I've included some photos of its edge lettering.

Estimated grade is minimum MS-63 RB.

 

Received a WM medal today from an eBay auction - Middlesex National Series DH #185. The best part - it cost me 10 pounds!

The medal is much nicer than the seller images indicate - great lustre and nice surfaces.

 

Your white medal example is very nice, farthing.
I have only the copper version.

 

That token is really neat Duke. Love the cricket!

 

Another county crossed off my list - just lacking 18 counties. I'm happy with this scarce token, I've passed on any number of the common tokens from Nottinghamshire - I've been holding out for a very nice Donald & Co. token.

Nottinghamshire Arnold DH #4 - a sixpence token.

 

I picked up a nice 1794 Warwickshire DH-249, listed as "Rare".

 

Just a note - good that you put "Rare" in quotes as it is not. This is one of the relatively few tokens that D&H got wrong - possibly Scarce but likely Common (I have 2 myself).

I do like your example!